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As a journalist, Jared, gets to write for the Wall Street Journal following the New York Mets around the country!

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Jared grew up muting the TV, while watching sports, to do his own commentary. While he loved sports, he knew that he wasn’t a great athlete and quickly adjusted his sights to being a journalist. He would go onto Syracuse University to become a sports journalist.

Jared went straight to his school’s newspaper willing to write about any sports they would assign to him. He rapidly found success being a journalist there and quickly found himself getting the best assignments to write for, and eventually was the top sports journalist for the paper. Right after school, he found an internship with the Triple-A baseball team the Norfolk Tides.

Once Jared found himself out of school and his internship was over, he had to figure out his next move. He was fortunate enough to get a break with someone he met getting him an interview at the Wall Street Journal. Working there for about two years before finally getting a break to move up into following the New York Mets around nearly all year long.

In this episode, Jared discusses the importance of networking, as well as paying it forward when it comes to getting an interview or giving someone else an opportunity to interview.

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Episode 31

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a dreamers is your host Joe Pardo

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so next week is the last week the
dreamers podcast can be on itunes new

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and noteworthy I want to thank everyone
for the amazing support I’ve already had

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with the show dreamers podcast is
already nearing 10,000 downloads and she

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crossed that marked by the end of the
weekend i’d like to send a big thank you

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out to read for sending me an email
about how much he appreciates the

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inspiration he’s getting from the show
please keep the emails coming in I

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really appreciate all them and I’d love
to respond to any of them any questions

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or any comments you have about the show
if you could I really appreciate you

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taking 30 seconds to review the show on
iTunes to help gain exposure i hope

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everyone has a magical weekend

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take care this is the dreamers podcast
where dreamers share their stories to

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inspire you

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now join host Joe Pardo as he interviews
a dreamer who’s living their dreams

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yeah

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welcome to the dreamers podcast I’m your
host Joe Pardo and today I’m

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interviewing Jared Diamond who is living
his dream through journalism

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welcome to show Jared hi how’s it going
it’s it’s going wonderful how about

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yourself it’s going great we avoid
outstanding your local hospital ugh

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let’s get started i give us some
background about yourself

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sure my name is Jared Diamond like you
said I work for the wall street journal

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in New York newspaper obviously my job
there is writing about baseball right

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now specifically the new york mets I
followed them all around the country go

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to all their games and I write about it
and it’s pretty fun but it definitely

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does sound on we were talking before the
show about some of the city’s want some

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of your most favorite cities and some of
your least favorite cities

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I don’t know if you’re willing to
divulge that well I could I won’t talk

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about the least favorite I want to
offend your question perhaps in st.

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Cincinnati in st. louis but the San
Francisco is a the best spot but

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Philadelphia is great too right here
where we are right now

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yeah right here in the studio so what
would you say inspired issue of what

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inspires me I mean it words inspired me
in a lot of ways I mean I’ve always sort

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of just been captivated by words I
always talked way too much as a kid

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which is probably annoying for people
but writing lets me talk without talking

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that annoying everyone around me and you
know it was sort of fascinated by the

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best ways to describe things and how to
sort of paint a picture with words what

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I do not really lets me lets me do that
and bring people into this world than I

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min so how does your dream get started

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it was a long road it really in many
ways started when I was just a little

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kid I always loved sports my entire life
I was not very good at them

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not a good i would have liked to have
been and I think I figured out pretty

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quickly around the age of probably 10
that I was not going to be playing

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major-league baseball because i cannot
run and I cannot hit and I cannot throw

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at least very well so you know I wanted
to do something in sports if I couldn’t

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have to find an outlet known as that
little kid who was needing the TV and

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pretending to be the announcer and silly
stuff like that and as time got went on

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you know

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I sort of found this calling working on
my high school newspaper and then my

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college newspaper and I realized that
knowledge was like ok added I really you

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know really liked it and it just sort of
took off from there

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how was your dream received by your
family members you know fortunately

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they’re supportive which is more than
you could say with a lot of journalists

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I mean obviously the industry min is not
necessarily in the greatest shape no

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newspapers and traditional media outlets
are all having trouble and it’s not

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particular high-paying field unless
you’re the very very very very top of it

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which obviously I aspired to become but
not there yet obviously so it does it

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took support you know because it’s very
easy for would have been very easy for

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my family to say you should go to
graduate school or you should go to law

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school used to be a doctor or you should
work in finance make lots of money and

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do something that staple it’s what i’m
doing right now is not stable at all

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I mean it’s you know you could lose your
job at any time it’s just the reality of

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this industry but fortunately had you
know a family support group I think they

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understood the message of this podcast
was the dream you should pursue it and

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if you want it badly enough and if you
work hard enough at it and you’re good

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enough you will overcome the obstacles
and i think i’m off to a good start in

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that department and hopefully that
continues well i hope it continues for

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you to what steps did you take to get
started so i guess in many ways it

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started the end of high school when I
said okay this is what I want to do i I

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want to go to be a journalist so i was
looking at colleges i made my decision

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sort of based on very specific factors
which is it needs to have a good

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journalism program and they need to have
sports big sports big-time Sports is

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might not that the best way to get where
I want to be is go to college and cover

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big-time sports i wound up at Syracuse
University in upstate New York which was

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the best basketball teams in the country
and used to be pretty good football now

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is pretty horrendous but neither here
nor there and first day pretty much I

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mean really the moment I got to school
no freshman year 18 years old whatever

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went to the newspaper went to the office
and just that I want

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I want to write i want to write about
sports you know thinking that there

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would be tons of people that are sort of
in that boat which there were but no I

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went right away and was so i’ll do
anything you don’t do anything you want

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me to do and they said okay you’re
covering the cross country or track and

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field or something very minor and I knew
nothing about it and no one cared at all

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no it can’t go cross-country Syracuse or
anywhere that all right I’m sign me up

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I’m doing it you know realizing i think
that that’s the steps the first step you

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have to take to getting where you want
and as that time went on I kept getting

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better assignments and better
assignments and better assignments and i

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ended up becoming the sports editor of
the of the papers syracuse which really

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is what propelled me to any success I’ve
had since while and then how did you end

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up getting started with sports teams
like once you got out of college yeah so

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I oh you know baseball is always been
what I love the most and as always what

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I wanted to cover after my junior year
that summer of college I had got an

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internship at mlb.com covering the
Yankees which is I grew up in New York

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so that was a dream you know my dad my
brother always biggie fans I grew up a

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Yankee fan so that was very cool excited
i was my first sort of taste of covering

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professional baseball and this this is I
knew that’s what I wanted not knowing

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how quickly or if I’d ever get there
then after my senior year I got an

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internship in a Norfolk Virginia
newspaper called the virginian-pilot

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just buy a good fortune my assignment
was covering a triple-a baseball team

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called the Norfolk Tides the triple-a
affiliate of the Baltimore Orioles and

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you know I loved it and I thought was I
thought I want to do this I want to be I

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want to travel i wanna do it for real
that internship is coming to an end i

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was looking for a job and i was very
fortunate about a three months two

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months after the internship ended ended
up getting hired at the wall street

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journal i had someone I think I knew
there who was an editor who was able to

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get me an interview and it was just dumb
luck very very fortunate you know it’s

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so much about just your circumstance
good timing but I got into the journal

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and I was the lowest person at the paper
i was 23 years old at the biggest

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newspaper in

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country and I was probably the lowest
person there my assignment was basically

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do whatever

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no one else wanted that was basically
had to do for about two years or a year

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and a half but again is with the
understanding or the hope that you

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worked really hard this and do really
well at it you’ll get where you want and

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you know fortunately the metro reporter
got promoted leaving the position open

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and i made it very clear for months that
you know I want this I want the

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opportunity i was still very young I was
only 25 I was pretty young for baseball

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Pete reporter especially New York but
fortunately I guess I’ve shown them

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something to make them take a chance on
me and when they gave it to me they were

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very sort of adamant that you know this
is a huge assignment and we really don’t

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know if you’re ready for it but here’s
your shot by go take advantage and it’s

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so far gone really well as I’m in my
second year and I don’t think they’re

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considering taking off at this point
it’s nice when somebody decides to give

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somebody a shot you can be very special
and and last a lifetime

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yeah you know they didn’t need to they
did I didn’t even really deserve to be

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the journal necessarily mean even that
was someone taking a shot that was and

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someone who I honestly barely knew you
know I met him a couple times didn’t

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know him very well he did not know me
all that well at least as at least as

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well as he made it seem when he was
vouching for me but he saw something me

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and there was this position open at the
journal yet they were having trouble

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filling it they’ve been interviewing for
a while and and they haven’t found

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anyone they liked and this person this
is editor no longer even works the paper

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left the paper just a few months after I
got there so I really own ton went to

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the boss you know his boss was the top
editor of our section and said you’re

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someone i know when he give him an
interview and and they got me in the

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door to place that I i never really
would have otherwise I may not even

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qualified to get in the door there you
know this is not a place that hires kids

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fresh out of college very often but it
just shows sort of what you can do when

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you get an opportunity how and how much
of it is just getting that break and

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once you gain that break taking advanced

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edge of it to recognizing how fortunate
you are and and sort take advantage of

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that opportunity i think i remember
reading a statistic somewhere where

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you’re more likely to get a job from
somebody you’ve met one time then you

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are from some of your best friends I
guess because first impressions are more

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important and your best friends know all
your fault

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no that’s true but i think this you know
I think there’s something to be said

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about this something that I tell
jobseekers all the time when people ask

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just about the whole concept of
networking and I think it’s you sort of

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see when you get out there

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how did people hire how does it work i
think when your application especially

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young African do you think that that the
bosses are cuddled in some room having

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these in-depth deep conversation all the
candidates when reality they don’t have

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time for that they really if if they get
a good recommendation and you and they

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like you they’ll hire you because that’s
like that’s more important anything

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doing the interview is a good
recommendation and understand that a lot

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of bosses

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they’re busy their stress they don’t
have time to be interviewing and

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debating over a pool of 20 20 year old
kids for a job you have 22 year old kids

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and one of them come to the
recommendation from someone else in the

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company it just put you so far above it
and not trying to say that bosses are

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lazy they’re just busy and
recommendations and they just mean a lot

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and in that personal that personal
voucher voucher for you it goes such a

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long way so the point is everyone you
meet could be the person i get you in

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the door and then you always have to
remember that no even though someone

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that you meet at a job there the lowest
of the low

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they one day could be in a position to
help you and you know I think that’s

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something that everyone should always
keep in mind or even the opposite

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you know I mean you could be in a
position to help somebody else someday

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yeah I try pay it forward right and the
hill and I hope that one day I meet a

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kid who deserves a shot you know and I
could try to help them get someone did

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that for me lots of people have done
that for me just to get all throughout

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my young career from the time I was in
college too now know people giving me

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chances that they made perhaps didn’t
need to give me you know so there’s

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definitely an element of just

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luck and making your own block so we’re
there any roadblocks along the way

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sure I mean there always are I’ve been
fortunate that I haven’t had hasn’t as

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many as many other people do in my field
i know a lot of people went to school

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with another journalist that just had
trouble getting jobs at a big place or

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getting a job you know they’re covering
high schools are there in the middle of

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North Dakota but that doesn’t mean I
haven’t had you know my share of

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obstacles along the way it took me you
know i do after Virginia I didn’t have

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anything for a while I had to go back
home move back in with my parents for a

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while and I was 23 almost and you know I
didn’t want to move back home I was

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feeling I was out of school having grown
up now and you know that little humbling

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to an extent to have to move back move
back in when you kind of feel like

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you’re out and I was there for almost 20
years I was trying to figure out where

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we got my job and then make enough money
to actually move out now after that and

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also know it may not sound like a
roadblock but it to me it was my first

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couple years of the journal where tough
i was basically doing grunt work

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it was very unglamorous they were times
when I felt that I was going nowhere

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that there’s no I was never gonna move
out there is no room for mobility that I

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was being so I was stuck in this very
like low blow job and that was hard you

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know it is your you I was always used to
moving quickly you know that i had been

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i’ve been doing well in college I was
moved fast and to sort of get to a place

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where all of a sudden you are not just
not the best or the worst and start from

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the bottom and that’s it’s not easy and
it took time and like I’m still nowhere

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near the top i’m still in the overall
scheme of things near the bottom but at

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least i’m off the floor

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well how did you overcome some of those
things i think the first step for the

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first thing you have to have his
confidence that you can overcome it I

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mean we’ve been very easy for me and I
and I went through this we’re at times

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where I thought this isn’t going to work

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you know maybe i need two figures figure
something else out maybe this isn’t the

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long-term solution and that’s sort of a
scary thought because for my a long time

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I thought I knew what I

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wanted and sort of get to a point where
obviously you start to doubt yourself is

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it’s frightening you start questioning
sort of your own identity and I i went

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through that but ultimately you know
with the support of some people that I

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care about and so are my own inner
strength and introspection sort of said

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you know what I know I am good enough
for this and when you get to that place

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where you feel confident then it’s just
about working hard because the way you

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move is by impressing people on the way
you impress people is by showing them

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that you care and if that just means
like going in earlier staying later

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going above and beyond what you’re
expected to do that’s what you have to

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do sometimes especially when the I was
young and the expectations were low and

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sort of the belief was that maybe this
kids not ready

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oh yeah we’re giving this kid taking a
flier on them in a way to overcome that

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is by working your way out of it and
proving through your own or drive that

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you deserve another chance and once I
sort of committed and I didn’t get that

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right away but you know it took some
time it took some beatdowns took some

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performance reviews that were less than
stellar at the journal but so you have

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that wake of college life you gotta take
that step getting that in your head when

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i went a long way from me

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yeah I mean sometimes we need to see our
failures and shortcomings to readjust

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ourselves to to be more successful in
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yeah i needed i know it was it was tough
being brought in after a year and

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basically being told you you know you’re
not doing a great job or not even that

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just like you know we think you do
better or you’re not doing X just

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hearing anything negative is always hard
especially when like I said you know I

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wasn’t used to it you know and maybe
that gave me a false sense of confidence

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or even arrogance that I just thought
it’s been relatively easy for me to this

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point I’ve had a lot of success will
always be that way and I think you’re

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right and then you need to go through
someone sort of telling you you know you

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got to be better to first wake you up
and say you know what maybe you do take

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a look at your seven-day am I really
doing the best I can and being told

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you’re not doing the best you can me
sort of look myself in the mirror until

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you’re right I’m not and I don’t know if
I would have even realize that otherwise

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and that as much as it hurt

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did you use it as motivation it’s like I
could show you that you’re wrong and I

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think that’s okay to have that that
sense of i’ll show you know it sounds

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like a negative but it’s not it’s not
hostile it it’s not that I was angry

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it was I want to prove you wrong i want
to show you that I’m better than maybe

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you think I am and getting that you know
getting that motivation could really

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propel you forward so has there been any
parts of your dream that haven’t quite

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worked out you know I don’t know if I
really fully accomplished my dream yet

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you know i think i’m i’m on the way I
love what I’m doing

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it’s one of these things where when I
started I this is michael i want to

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cover Major League Baseball I want to be
a beat reporter but that’s not my

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ultimate goal you know this job at right
now requires a lot of travel and

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involves being away from my wife and my
family a lot you know half the year

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basically i’m on the road you know and
that’s not the life I want forever i

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also love what I’m doing so in a way of
achieving this squeeze in my goals made

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me reassess what my dreams are and start
searching for a new dream in a way I

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mean my dream is still what I’m doing
but it’s sort of figure out how to have

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my cake and eat it too how could I
continue living this dream also having

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so the lifestyle I wanted and being able
to sort of not be on the road as much

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and and have a family that’s relatively
normal family life for instance and I

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don’t quite know where that step is I
don’t know what the next move is you

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know but I think that’s sort of the only
way you really achieve success is when

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you do accomplish your dreams you always
should have another dream right behind

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it because i still have a lot of time
left

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I’ve already accomplished by want to
accomplish when I’m four years out of

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college or whatever it is that’s not
fulfilling you know you always should be

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aspiring for something better than what
you have and I think that’s sort of

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that’s the way you make your move
forward if I always thinking you could

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do better after you accomplished
something and that’s where i am right

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now I don’t know what my next dream is
but I know it’s it’s it’s coming well

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well let’s jump to the question what are
your dreams for the future

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I mean you kind of just answered it but
i’m sure you’ve gotta have something

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whether it’s in baseball or sports or or
life in general

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there’s lots of options i mean look i
love working in the media you know when

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I’ve always thought maybe I could I be
on TV one day or maybe instead of

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covering a daily beat I work for
magazine get the right long-form

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articles you know maybe I’ll TVs the
exciting option to me you know something

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like that where you you’re more out
there faces out there you get to talk

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sort of a different spin on what I’m
already doing but maybe it’s not in

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journalism you know I also have a lot of
interest in baseball another aspect i

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mean we’re in this place in baseball now
where you could do so much with it you

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know i i’m very interested in analytics
and statistics and there’s so many

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people doing incredible research you
know you something like that and write

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about it and you know who knows maybe
like there’s always the chance that I

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end up wanting to work in baseball who
who’s to say I couldn’t work for a team

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someday

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why you could dream big why can you be a
general manager of a team someday you

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know is that likely probably not you
know is that even necessarily what I

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want

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maybe maybe not but you know there’s a
lot out there there’s a lot of exciting

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things that this could lead to it’s one
of the great things of what I do when

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they’re really working at a place like
The Wall Street Journal that you never

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know where it’s going to take you and I
think that the sort of those options are

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all are out there i’m kind of excited to
see where where it goes

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so if you were stranded on a deserted
island with Europe with your family

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what three things would you want to have
with you we have to bring a springsteen

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album the essential Bruce Springsteen
three-disc set because the mods that I

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need good music is my life and that’s as
good as it gets so that’s coming

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that’s coming with us something that my
wife could bake and it should be very

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sad if she couldn’t be that sort of her
biggest hobby think she loves the most

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speaking thing which is great for me and
I get to do the eating something that

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you can bake with like an easy-bake oven
it’s fine i don’t know we could plug it

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in somewhere maybe I don’t know maybe
can run on batteries and maybe our

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ketubah which is a Jewish piece of
artwork that you must Sign and in people

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sound you get married it’s basically
like a wedding in phases like a Jewish

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marriage license but they’re very
artistic

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they’re drawn by these are

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this very beautiful with writing on it
about your marriage and you have to sign

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it and your witnesses that design it and
right now it’s framed in our house sort

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of in our living room that would come to
cause that’s kind of an emotional

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attachment so is there any last thoughts
you’d like to share

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if I’ve learned anything and the this or
message I would tell that everyone is

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the way you accomplished your dream is
really just being nice to people and

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giving people reason to want to help you
because that no one could do things by

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themselves

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everyone needs out everyone needs
someone to get them in the door everyone

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needs someone to want to take a chance
on you and the way you do that is just

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by always working hard and always being
nice to people and showing everyone you

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meet

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but no matter what you think of me no
matter where my skills are I will always

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try i’ll always do my best and I always
try to go above and beyond what you want

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of me and if you do that you have a shot
and that’s all you can ask for

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so before we go is there any twitter
facebook website you’d like the plug

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sure you follow me on twitter is just at
Jared Diamond JR ed and then diamond

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like baseball diamond very fitting for
what i do i mainly i’m talking about the

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Mets but there’s some other fun stuff
thrown around in there so you know if

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you like baseball or you just want to
hear my ramblings off besides just this

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podcast feel free to check it out

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well thank you so much for coming on
Jared I really appreciate it thank you

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thank you for joining us for this
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