Patrick Rhone A Writer Who Has Lived The Best And Worst
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Mentioned: Your Money Or Your Life Book
Episode 46
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this is the dreamers podcast where
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dreamers shared their stories to inspire
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you
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now join host Joe Pardo as he interviews
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a dreamer who’s living their dreams
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welcome to the dreamers podcast I’m your
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host Joe Pardo and today I am
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interviewing Patrick Rome was living his
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dream through writing welcome this show
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Patrick a Joe thanks for having me on
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I love doing stuff like this well thank
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you i really appreciate you getting back
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to me and wanting to come on the show
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yeah well and I appreciate you putting
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up with my ever changing schedule this
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past week or so has just been crazy
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crazy not so busy lots of projects lots
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of changes i’m doing another global
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challenge on friday night so I got it I
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haven’t even started preparing for that
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really so he’ll know that’s not your
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I’ve been preparing for months but but
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the kind of final details sometimes have
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to do yet
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well enough about my life what was the
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whole shows about your legs have and
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gosh that’s pressure
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what is the challenge Oh Dora challenge
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the government challenge is a
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military-style endurance event led by
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excess and current Special Forces
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personnel put on by a company called go
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rock that make a military-grade
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backpacks otherwise known as rucksacks
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and and other equipment and it was
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started by a special forces operator who
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came back from the field not finding in
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equipment that would stand up to the
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unique challenges that Special Forces
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operators go through and so he decided
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to design and build one himself and
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start a company around that the problem
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is of course that this stuff has to get
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tested and there’s a couple ways you can
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test it you can actually give it to your
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to your special forces buddies and they
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can you know have it out in the field
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and stuff like that but actually getting
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that kind of immediate feedback from
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them it’s really difficult and so he
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decided to get a few of his other us SPF
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buddies together SFO and throw on these
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rocks and load them up with heavy stuff
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and
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them through some unique challenges and
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one thing grew to another and now it’s
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an event that is pretty much a business
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in and of itself they run correct
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challenges several on every weekend all
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around the country of various grades
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there’s the original straight challenge
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which is the one that I do which is a
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nice guided tour of the city in which
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tell held so he’ll go anywhere between
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15 and 20 miles over the course of
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anywhere between 13 and 17 hours
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overnight starting at 9pm and going
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going overnight to the next late morning
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early afternoon
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Wow and the whole time you’re wearing a
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pact that is at least 40 to 45 pounds
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you are doing all sorts of things that
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usually starts out with the three-hour
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what they call a welcome party which is
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about three hours of the mix PT so you
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know push-ups sit-ups / bees
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bodybuilders other ingenious little
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torture tests they’ve come up with like
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the tunnel of love where you basically
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are doing
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chair chair stands with your pack in
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front of you while the guy on the end
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goes and crawls through your legs and
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butt says you’re in the chair stand back
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to back up against each other
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oh no I’m sorry that’s not total of
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that’s a that’s like a modified i forget
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what they call that the tunnel love is
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where you’re actually in bear-crawl
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position basically doing a doing a Down
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Dog arch and you’ve got the folks on the
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end crawl through when wouldn’t get the
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other side they form the next part of
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that arch and it just keeps going like
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that until I tell you to stop
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so yeah this is it’s it’s the one of the
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most physically and mentally challenging
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events available today
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have you always been into physically
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challenging events
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absolutely not no round but no arm is
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this is something that
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I got into thanks to my friend Yuri
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mainly he was the first one to turn me
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on to it my friend Yuri in boston and
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urea is a really unique guy really
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interesting guy
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I’m not going to say too much about him
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here but he’s he’s awesome and then my
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friend Eric convince me to give it a
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shot he did one I actually broke my foot
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training for the one that we were
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supposed to do together but then ended
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up doing another one
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a few months later after my foothill
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it’s it’s good and what’s interesting is
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that once you do it you kind of form a
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friendship and bond with these strangers
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that you’ve never met who you’ve gone
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through probably one of the hardest
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things in your life with and they become
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they become good friends they become
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like brothers and and it’s not just you
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know the folks that you did the
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challenge with but it’s all the folks
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who have all done correct challenges I
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you know have the way I look at i have
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brothers and sisters in just about every
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city in the country and several of the
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major cities of the world just that I
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could call upon if I were needed because
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we share that bond if that makes sense
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not totally makes sense i mean we’re
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talking over the Internet
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yeah we never met yeah exactly so you
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know I always always say that you know
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strangers are just best friends you
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haven’t met yet
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yes yes that is in and that is
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definitely something I believe in as
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well so yeah sure okay yeah we’ve talked
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all about go rock and i haven’t even
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talked
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ok now the head of not a problem want to
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give some background about yourself
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I’m a writer i live in st. Paul
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Minnesota with my six-year-old daughter
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and my beautiful wife of eight years we
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have a beautiful home in 1886 victorian
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which unlike most homes around that
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period of time was built by a woman by
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the name of sarah chapman yeah this big
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beautiful you know queen and painted
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lady you know just have
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dog have three cats you know and and
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just kind of you have a business with my
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wife where most of my income comes from
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my writing and things related to it
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several books I’ve written the the blogs
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i right
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yes multiple the yellow other other odd
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things i do then I’ve also do technical
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consulting on the side with the focus on
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Macintosh that’s a business that I’ve
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had on my own for WoW over 10 years but
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my wife and I decided to merge our solo
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consultancies into a LLC at the
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beginning of the last year because while
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it saved us a ton of money in taxes so
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by time i mean almost ten thousand
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dollars
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well yeah it was a big chunk of change
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so then that’s worked out pretty well
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even though some of our clients do over
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while but only very very slightly
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she’s a non-profit arts management
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consultant and nonprofit and arts
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management consultant and so you know
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she helps very small nonprofits kind of
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handled the business end of things that
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they otherwise do not have the resources
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or talent to do and so yeah we both work
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for ourselves essentially yeah i mean
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that’s that’s really the life isn’t it
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it is you know but it’s not necessarily
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a dream right that of a lot of people
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might cook it up to be I mean is for us
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I don’t know that it’s for everybody
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because keep in mind that when you
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decide to work for yourself all of those
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things that you got used to an employer
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doing for you and that’s the trade-off
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is that you know working for somebody
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they take care of a lot of stuff you
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know you kind of show up and you you do
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the job that you’re assigned and you do
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that for 40 60 70 80 hours a day and you
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know or a week and at the end of that
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you get this paycheck
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that more often than not these days
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automatically gets tricked just to drop
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into your bank account so you don’t even
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have to take the check to the bank you
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don’t have to sign it just shows up and
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41 people that’s a that’s a very easy
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dream life because the alternative is
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well you do all that stuff yourself you
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have to chase down the money he tell you
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have to ask for it you have to you have
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to make things with the expectation that
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you will get paid for it eventually you
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have to you know all that stuff because
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his HR insurance no taxes all of that
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stuff you’re dealing with in some way
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shape or form some manner it all that
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stuff is not just being done for you and
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that’s invested trade-off
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I mean believe me there have been days
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when I’ve been like cash man i should
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just you know I think a good barista at
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starbucks i think i’m not personable on
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nice you know I can keep a smile on my
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face even in the even when dealing with
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the most difficult of people i can just
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kind of deal with them you know I think
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I think I’d be a good barista at
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starbucks actually the problem is it
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doesn’t fit into my schedule
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no because like you know you know they
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generally need people to come in at five
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and work until two or something like
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that and you know I’ve got actually
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value my time with my family to life for
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me and what I like to say is I’m and I’m
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both a a horrible boss and a horrible
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employee so on best I’m best working on
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my own actually but yeah yeah I’ve been
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been living that dream for well six
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years now as far as working for myself
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so what does working for yourself mean
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to you Josh a freedom flexibility you
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know I can you know I kind of decide my
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own schedule i can take on as much work
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as I need to and leave the rest behind
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you know I really really really love
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what I do you know I think ideally what
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what we all want to find is we want to
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find a way to get paid for something
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that not only we love to do but that we
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and not the only that we never get tired
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of doing but that we almost can’t help
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ourselves from doing right that what I
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get paid for is a byproduct of things
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that I would be doing anyway right that
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I would be doing for no money i would
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happily do for free if it came down to
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it right and i think i think a lot of
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people miss that point a lot of people
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miss the there’s the kind of cult of do
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what you love
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right that’s increasingly vocal
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especially in an economy where jobs are
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difficult to find you know I think it’s
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really easy for people to get caught up
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in that dream and in that mantra when in
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fact I don’t think it’s so much do what
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you love
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although that’s part of it yeah i mean
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you’re gonna love it but you know do
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what you do
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do what you do anyway and see if there’s
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a way you might be able to get paid for
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that and if you don’t don’t be too
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unhappy about if it just stays some
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hobby that you just do because of it
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well that’s that’s the way it is you
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know I think that you know in this world
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anyone can build a business out of
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virtually almost anything
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the the key is that it takes a lot of
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hard work and it takes a long time
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you’re not going to just quit your job
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and leave tomorrow and suddenly have you
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know tens of thousands of dollars a
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month following into your lapis is just
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not going to happen it might happen for
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some people on there are those rare
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exceptions I mean heck I’ve got a friend
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who won the library i mean literally won
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the lottery and guess what he’s still
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showing up at his job every day
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okay you know i mean it in you know so
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why well beyond because he knows that
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that’s actually the key to Baton that
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money sticking around right yeah
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definitely I i think im gonna really
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kind of much different place from a lot
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of people that would be in that sort of
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situation i started off in a much
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different place
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I was a full-time single dad to my two
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sons i have two adult sons for you know
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essentially 10 years in because of that
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I mean there were many many days when i
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was so broke I we were so poor that I
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would literally have to decide it
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planned out when the one meal i was
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going to be able to eat that day would
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happen in order to make sure that I was
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not too hungry and you know still would
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go to bed hungry knowing i would wake up
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in the morning and not be able to afford
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to eat until probably two or three in
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the afternoon and that that would be my
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one do one meal of the day
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let me it sounds crazy but yes you know
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but i did that so that my son’s could
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have three but you know during that time
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I worked really really hard to make sure
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that that I kept my my debt really super
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low arm and kept my overhead really
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super low because I didn’t have that you
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know there’s two ways to have more money
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you can either make more which you know
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i was working so much I was literally
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working three jobs to just make ends
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meet with what I had arm or to spend
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less and that’s what I did I guides i
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spent drastically less and i managed to
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keep a roof over our heads and a car in
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the driveway and managed to make sure
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that my son’s never missed a meal and
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managed to make sure that they got
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anything that they needed
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and so when I did finally you know get
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married and you know kind of things
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turned around greatly as far as our
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income and ability and such like that
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and ya didn’t change my relationship to
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to debt you know as it stands right now
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we have we have three houses that we
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owned outright we have three cars want
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two cars and a truck that we owned
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outright we you know we have credit
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cards
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sure but guess what we pay them off in
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full every single month we keep our
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overhead really really really low arm
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and because of that we don’t need to
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make a lot of money in order to survive
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and I think I think I think I think
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that’s another part of the equation that
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often gets overlooked is that is not
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just about having a dream and chasing it
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is also about doing everything you
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possibly can doing all the upfront work
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to facilitate that dream so you have the
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freedom and ability to chase it so you
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don’t have to worry about
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oh I’ve got this bill to pay or that
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mortgage or this credit card or this
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student loan or this that or this this
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right because when you’re in that
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situation you’re nothing more than a
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middleman you’re transferring money from
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one big major corporation IE the one
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that you work for whatever you know
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you’re trading someone else’s money
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you’re taking someone else’s money and
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you’re giving it away to another big
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corporation right you are just a
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middleman your transfer station for that
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money in order to get out from under
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that we have to you know
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hey you have to cut off the supply on
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one of those ends before you cut off the
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supply on the other two arch or i should
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say cut off the the feed on one of those
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end so you cut off the supply on the
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other I know all of that was a big
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roundabout explanation to say yes I’m
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living my dream and I and I’m doing it
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because of a lot of a lot of hard work
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and a lot of sacrifice for a lot of
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years before I was able to get to
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the point i think that it’s really
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awesome that you you’re smart enough to
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to know that you have to cut down
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overhead to make all that happen because
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like you said there’s you know it said
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it takes a lot of money to make these
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dreams happen but there’s always another
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way
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and as to reduce the cost to make it
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happen again and and I think that you
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put it beautifully and and hopefully
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inspire somebody to look at themselves
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and and to cut down on what they’ve got
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in order to I I’m of sacrifice the right
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word but in some cases it probably is
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the right word
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m for them to to make it what their goal
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is
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yeah well that that’s part of the you
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know and that that doesn’t come like
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that’s not something you do after you
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make that leap
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that’s not something you have that’s the
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thing you do for years before you make
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the leap you you can set things up that
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way because I mean if you were to look
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at what my wife and i pay ourselves
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because you know we have with the way
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their businesses set out it’s it’s a LLC
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this tax SMS corporates it’s a busy
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business and it’s a business that has a
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payroll that and we’re the two employees
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of that business of that makes sense
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right
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and so we cut a paycheck to ourselves
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from that business every month and if
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you saw what that was the most people
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would laugh
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most people would say there’s no way i
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could live on that amount of money
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alright but we don’t pay ourselves any
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more than we then we need to write we
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and so yeah I guess you know that that’s
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a big part of it you know
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take a look at you know what is it that
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you need
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absolutely bare minimum every month to
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to be able to to live and well gosh we
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got so before we got married my wife and
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I we took this great course by a woman
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by the name of ruth hatin
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andrew hayden has has a book called for
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i believe it’s called for richer not
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poor the money book for couples and then
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it was a great course because basically
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one of the biggest causes of divorce and
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the breakups and things like that is
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actually disagreements over money or
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come down to or come down to money
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struggles causing so much stress that it
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leads out other places right arm and so
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we kind of knew right off that we wanted
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to be get on the same page when it came
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to money to this wonderful course
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between one of the kind of the nicest
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ideas that that came out of that course
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was just for more than anyone can do
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this is great just for a month track
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everything that you spend money on em
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you know the bills and stuff like that
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yeah for sure but those are going to be
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fixed costs look at all of the other
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little things that you buy at the cup of
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coffee at starbucks the the gas at the
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gas station the you know basically you
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know each individual track what they
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individually spend that you know take
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the take the bills out equation just
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what you individually spent all right
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and once you’ve done that for a month
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there you go that’s the cash that you
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are going to take out of the bank you
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know you’re out of your paycheck or
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whatever for the following month right
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and if you just have that amount in cash
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whatever that is what you’ll find is
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your a lot more conscious of how much
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money you actually have in our spending
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and you know because you kind of see
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that wide dwindling down you know it’s a
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very physical representation
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it’s really easy to get lost when you’re
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dealing with cards no debit or credit
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cards or whatever that kind of mindset
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gets lost but you have it physically you
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can really see it but the other part of
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it too is that now suddenly you’re
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making some hard choices you’re thinking
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all that nice blouse and I saw on sale
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at the store cash it was only ten
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dollars but
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if i spend this ten dollars i now have
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to give up two of my starbucks things
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this month or you know I mean like I I i
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have to skip Starbucks for two days and
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and you start to really kind of learn
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what it’s like to make those sorts of
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choices between if i do this then i have
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to give up that do that for a few months
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and you’ll find you get really really
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really good ad ad and living within your
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means and knowing exactly what your
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trading for the random money choices you
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make tremendously helpful advice highly
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recommend it
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so yeah I mean it is it’s it’s you know
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there’s there’s a lot of sacrifice a lot
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of kind of ups upfront stuff you know
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that you have to be plus you have to be
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a really good like I said you’re running
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a business so you have to be prepared to
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run a business even if that is just the
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business of one you have to be ready do
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you know to be the one who counts the
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money to be the one who goes and
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invoices for the money to be the person
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who you know who sets their own price
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00:23:01,269 –> 00:23:07,659
who then you know has to pay taxes on
514
00:23:04,419 –> 00:23:11,19
that who then has to all of those things
515
00:23:07,659 –> 00:23:12,999
that you used to be able to not track
516
00:23:11,19 –> 00:23:16,239
now you’re tracking every single expense
517
00:23:12,999 –> 00:23:19,509
you know you’re tracking the the the
518
00:23:16,239 –> 00:23:21,340
apps that you by the the the computer
519
00:23:19,509 –> 00:23:24,190
books that you purchase if you’re a
520
00:23:21,340 –> 00:23:27,519
computer consultant why well because
521
00:23:24,190 –> 00:23:30,369
well you get to write that off your
522
00:23:27,519 –> 00:23:31,239
taxes you better you better track that
523
00:23:30,369 –> 00:23:34,779
stuff
524
00:23:31,239 –> 00:23:37,149
oh ok I mean yeah you’re doing all of
525
00:23:34,779 –> 00:23:39,759
those things that normally a business
526
00:23:37,149 –> 00:23:41,859
does for you if you work for one so what
527
00:23:39,759 –> 00:23:49,899
would you say inspired shoe my little
528
00:23:41,859 –> 00:23:52,449
girl you know I were if you look at all
529
00:23:49,899 –> 00:23:56,498
of my writing you will see her there
530
00:23:52,450 –> 00:23:59,409
haha you know a lot of what I’m writing
531
00:23:56,499 –> 00:24:01,610
I’m writing to future her because I
532
00:23:59,409 –> 00:24:04,580
don’t think that the world is getting
533
00:24:01,610 –> 00:24:08,570
any less complicated when it comes to
534
00:24:04,580 –> 00:24:09,320
living a life you have so that inspires
535
00:24:08,570 –> 00:24:13,520
me
536
00:24:09,320 –> 00:24:17,000
I’m inspired by just the you know just
537
00:24:13,520 –> 00:24:20,870
the day-to-day living in conversations I
538
00:24:17,000 –> 00:24:23,299
have yeah the as a writer you know one
539
00:24:20,870 –> 00:24:24,979
of the things I try to explain to people
540
00:24:23,299 –> 00:24:27,710
i don’t think anyone is not a writer
541
00:24:24,980 –> 00:24:29,809
really gets it is that I’m never not
542
00:24:27,710 –> 00:24:31,850
writing I’m always writing that
543
00:24:29,809 –> 00:24:33,860
everything that I experienced every
544
00:24:31,850 –> 00:24:35,809
moment every second everything I see
545
00:24:33,860 –> 00:24:37,760
everything I smell everything I taste
546
00:24:35,809 –> 00:24:39,440
every conversation I have every word
547
00:24:37,760 –> 00:24:41,780
that passes through my brain
548
00:24:39,440 –> 00:24:46,190
here comes out of my mouth everyone that
549
00:24:41,780 –> 00:24:48,590
I hear that’s all part of the writing it
550
00:24:46,190 –> 00:24:50,510
all ends up in the writing it’s all kind
551
00:24:48,590 –> 00:24:54,439
of intertwined with the writing and so
552
00:24:50,510 –> 00:24:57,470
you know people may ask well you know
553
00:24:54,440 –> 00:25:01,460
when when do you take a vacation never
554
00:24:57,470 –> 00:25:03,679
because even my vacations are part of my
555
00:25:01,460 –> 00:25:06,830
experiences from those experiences end
556
00:25:03,679 –> 00:25:09,320
up and what I’m when what I do and quite
557
00:25:06,830 –> 00:25:15,889
frankly I don’t want any job that I can
558
00:25:09,320 –> 00:25:18,918
leave behind right I I don’t want any
559
00:25:15,890 –> 00:25:22,400
job that I’m not doing in some way shape
560
00:25:18,919 –> 00:25:24,80
or form all the time or working on in
561
00:25:22,400 –> 00:25:27,350
some way shape or form all the time
562
00:25:24,80 –> 00:25:28,159
that’s just not who I am or how I’m
563
00:25:27,350 –> 00:25:32,418
built
564
00:25:28,160 –> 00:25:33,650
you know and so that’s you know that’s
565
00:25:32,419 –> 00:25:35,270
that’s all
566
00:25:33,650 –> 00:25:38,600
inspirational to me i guess you could
567
00:25:35,270 –> 00:25:40,970
say incredibly inspired by my life to
568
00:25:38,600 –> 00:25:44,59
that shit i should say that my wife is
569
00:25:40,970 –> 00:25:46,549
actually having she’s she’s friggin
570
00:25:44,59 –> 00:25:50,510
amazing if you you want to talk to
571
00:25:46,549 –> 00:25:52,940
someone who works her butt off for I
572
00:25:50,510 –> 00:25:59,270
mean first of all she makes easily four
573
00:25:52,940 –> 00:26:00,260
times what I do she is in an incredibly
574
00:25:59,270 –> 00:26:04,370
high demand
575
00:26:00,260 –> 00:26:06,980
incredibly well respected and the what
576
00:26:04,370 –> 00:26:10,489
she is able to bring to the table the
577
00:26:06,980 –> 00:26:12,680
wealth of skills and talent that she
578
00:26:10,490 –> 00:26:14,690
brings to the table when someone will
579
00:26:12,680 –> 00:26:18,110
know when a small organization hires my
580
00:26:14,690 –> 00:26:21,110
wife they really are hiring are getting
581
00:26:18,110 –> 00:26:25,10
what other larger organizations usually
582
00:26:21,110 –> 00:26:27,439
do with between five and ten people and
583
00:26:25,10 –> 00:26:32,420
she works incredibly hard and she is
584
00:26:27,440 –> 00:26:34,730
incredibly smart and incredibly yeah and
585
00:26:32,420 –> 00:26:37,280
she’s she’s she’s really super inspired
586
00:26:34,730 –> 00:26:39,440
well maybe you can convince her to come
587
00:26:37,280 –> 00:26:42,110
on the show i should i should actually
588
00:26:39,440 –> 00:26:43,940
although he had she wouldn’t have the
589
00:26:42,110 –> 00:26:46,729
time I mean that’s part of it right is
590
00:26:43,940 –> 00:26:48,650
that she and she works her butt off
591
00:26:46,730 –> 00:26:50,600
she really does you know the trade-off
592
00:26:48,650 –> 00:26:53,30
though is that I’m the one who does a
593
00:26:50,600 –> 00:26:55,310
lot of the stuff that like I’m the one
594
00:26:53,30 –> 00:26:57,410
who you know dr spirit Rick’s around to
595
00:26:55,310 –> 00:26:59,450
her various places and schedules and
596
00:26:57,410 –> 00:27:02,720
such theatrics be my daughter
597
00:26:59,450 –> 00:27:04,490
I’m the one who you know runs out to
598
00:27:02,720 –> 00:27:07,310
menards at eight in the morning to go
599
00:27:04,490 –> 00:27:11,270
pick up posts for the guy who’s putting
600
00:27:07,310 –> 00:27:14,120
in our this and replacing the fence that
601
00:27:11,270 –> 00:27:17,300
are our other house on the guy who
602
00:27:14,120 –> 00:27:17,989
washes addition I I cook all of our
603
00:27:17,300 –> 00:27:23,930
meals
604
00:27:17,990 –> 00:27:25,730
I you know I’m that guy good it ok i
605
00:27:23,930 –> 00:27:27,980
mean a lot of ways you know my work
606
00:27:25,730 –> 00:27:31,310
allows me to do that because it’s a very
607
00:27:27,980 –> 00:27:34,580
kind of solitary homebody sort of sort
608
00:27:31,310 –> 00:27:37,429
of position but a lot of other ways what
609
00:27:34,580 –> 00:27:40,460
it means is that i’m doing you know
610
00:27:37,430 –> 00:27:42,650
she’s working a more than full-time job
611
00:27:40,460 –> 00:27:44,750
and I’m doing all the other stuff that
612
00:27:42,650 –> 00:27:47,30
can’t get done otherwise because of the
613
00:27:44,750 –> 00:27:48,380
head so you touched on a little bit
614
00:27:47,30 –> 00:27:49,940
before but how did your dream of
615
00:27:48,380 –> 00:27:52,460
becoming a writer come about
616
00:27:49,940 –> 00:27:57,470
mm well i mean i’ve been writing for
617
00:27:52,460 –> 00:27:59,690
most of my life I actually published a
618
00:27:57,470 –> 00:28:02,90
really horrible book of poetry that will
619
00:27:59,690 –> 00:28:03,980
never see the light of day beyond the
620
00:28:02,90 –> 00:28:07,699
solitary copy that I
621
00:28:03,980 –> 00:28:12,80
no to be in existence downstairs in my
622
00:28:07,700 –> 00:28:13,580
basement buried deep i might add because
623
00:28:12,80 –> 00:28:16,699
it really is that bad and that
624
00:28:13,580 –> 00:28:20,000
embarrassing but I was 16 and full of
625
00:28:16,700 –> 00:28:22,130
angst and you know like any thanks
626
00:28:20,000 –> 00:28:23,419
written sixteen-year-old writer you
627
00:28:22,130 –> 00:28:26,750
write a lot of X written
628
00:28:23,419 –> 00:28:28,730
sixteen-year-old poetry but I figured
629
00:28:26,750 –> 00:28:30,830
out a way to self publish it
630
00:28:28,730 –> 00:28:34,669
my grandmother actually had published
631
00:28:30,830 –> 00:28:37,610
three books and so I knew a small press
632
00:28:34,669 –> 00:28:39,500
publisher and through my grandmother and
633
00:28:37,610 –> 00:28:41,990
you know my grandmother helped me talk
634
00:28:39,500 –> 00:28:44,240
to him about publishing this little book
635
00:28:41,990 –> 00:28:47,480
of poetry for you basically a vanity
636
00:28:44,240 –> 00:28:49,970
project that i got like 200 copies up
637
00:28:47,480 –> 00:28:54,500
and sold them for like five bucks apiece
638
00:28:49,970 –> 00:28:56,870
and it was II just you know just a very
639
00:28:54,500 –> 00:29:00,650
arrogant sixteen-year-old thing to do
640
00:28:56,870 –> 00:29:05,299
but i want to think that I was well
641
00:29:00,650 –> 00:29:07,220
ahead of the self-publishing curve 25-30
642
00:29:05,299 –> 00:29:10,490
years ahead of it in fact so I mean
643
00:29:07,220 –> 00:29:14,270
that’s something that I’ve done for very
644
00:29:10,490 –> 00:29:18,890
long time i used to as a young man
645
00:29:14,270 –> 00:29:21,290
publish a magazine that with a friend we
646
00:29:18,890 –> 00:29:22,850
would write up put out there sending
647
00:29:21,290 –> 00:29:24,889
other friends and family and stuff like
648
00:29:22,850 –> 00:29:28,250
that you know as soon as the internet
649
00:29:24,890 –> 00:29:29,960
came along I you know immediately was
650
00:29:28,250 –> 00:29:32,870
thinking about ologies how can i use
651
00:29:29,960 –> 00:29:34,700
this to write when their blogs and you
652
00:29:32,870 –> 00:29:38,120
know I’ve been doing my blog for a long
653
00:29:34,700 –> 00:29:41,330
time I was working you know at the time
654
00:29:38,120 –> 00:29:43,309
i actually was able to make the leap
655
00:29:41,330 –> 00:29:46,10
you know i was working at Carleton
656
00:29:43,309 –> 00:29:48,410
College Charleston’s a private four-year
657
00:29:46,10 –> 00:29:51,980
liberal arts school school about 50
658
00:29:48,410 –> 00:29:54,620
miles south of the twin cities area it’s
659
00:29:51,980 –> 00:29:57,799
a really really good at really expensive
660
00:29:54,620 –> 00:30:01,340
school like sixty thousand dollars a
661
00:29:57,799 –> 00:30:04,10
year note no joke but let’s just say
662
00:30:01,340 –> 00:30:07,639
that if you come out with a degree from
663
00:30:04,10 –> 00:30:10,520
Carlton Deacon you know it it’s it’s
664
00:30:07,640 –> 00:30:11,970
like one of the Midwest Ivy’s as it were
665
00:30:10,520 –> 00:30:15,660
is up there with Grinnell
666
00:30:11,970 –> 00:30:17,850
one and other ones like that so i was
667
00:30:15,660 –> 00:30:21,60
working Carlton I was kind of their head
668
00:30:17,850 –> 00:30:24,570
Matt guy there i managed a team of the
669
00:30:21,60 –> 00:30:26,940
kind of mac expert windows expert and
670
00:30:24,570 –> 00:30:29,520
kind of a hardware expert the three of
671
00:30:26,940 –> 00:30:31,470
us were kind of the top level support
672
00:30:29,520 –> 00:30:34,590
for for the college
673
00:30:31,470 –> 00:30:36,420
it just so happened that they were
674
00:30:34,590 –> 00:30:38,879
making some organizational changes
675
00:30:36,420 –> 00:30:42,570
within the IT department there that was
676
00:30:38,880 –> 00:30:47,670
going to leave me doing doing work that
677
00:30:42,570 –> 00:30:51,60
I didn’t want to do because of my
678
00:30:47,670 –> 00:30:54,540
relationship with my wife and our
679
00:30:51,60 –> 00:30:57,750
financial abilities without going into
680
00:30:54,540 –> 00:31:00,810
too much detail it was a situation where
681
00:30:57,750 –> 00:31:03,900
i didn’t have to work and so basically I
682
00:31:00,810 –> 00:31:07,350
I told them I said look you know it
683
00:31:03,900 –> 00:31:09,870
you’re you’re essentially you’re
684
00:31:07,350 –> 00:31:12,419
changing my job description you’re
685
00:31:09,870 –> 00:31:13,979
actually eliminating my position and
686
00:31:12,420 –> 00:31:16,830
creating this new one
687
00:31:13,980 –> 00:31:19,530
the cats responsibilities that I don’t
688
00:31:16,830 –> 00:31:22,290
care to do i said so there’s there’s two
689
00:31:19,530 –> 00:31:24,240
ways we could work this out because i’m
690
00:31:22,290 –> 00:31:26,100
not going to do that job and since I
691
00:31:24,240 –> 00:31:28,950
don’t have to work if I don’t want to
692
00:31:26,100 –> 00:31:30,870
i’m not going to do that job so there’s
693
00:31:28,950 –> 00:31:33,870
a couple ways we can work this out
694
00:31:30,870 –> 00:31:36,449
way number one is you’ve effectively
695
00:31:33,870 –> 00:31:37,350
eliminating my position thus laying me
696
00:31:36,450 –> 00:31:40,590
off
697
00:31:37,350 –> 00:31:44,699
thus I could collect unemployment which
698
00:31:40,590 –> 00:31:46,260
perfectly fine by me or I have a
699
00:31:44,700 –> 00:31:48,900
daughter about to be born
700
00:31:46,260 –> 00:31:50,160
you have 12 weeks of maternity paid
701
00:31:48,900 –> 00:31:51,840
paternity leave
702
00:31:50,160 –> 00:31:53,850
I could just take those 12 weeks on hand
703
00:31:51,840 –> 00:31:58,919
in my resignation at the end of it and
704
00:31:53,850 –> 00:32:00,810
that’s what that’s what I did because
705
00:31:58,920 –> 00:32:03,510
you know I talked with Bethenny about it
706
00:32:00,810 –> 00:32:04,560
and Bethany was like well you know we’re
707
00:32:03,510 –> 00:32:07,800
in a good place
708
00:32:04,560 –> 00:32:11,159
Beatrix is about to be born will you do
709
00:32:07,800 –> 00:32:14,909
we were talking about amy was a hour
710
00:32:11,160 –> 00:32:16,260
commute each way to work and so there
711
00:32:14,910 –> 00:32:18,270
were times when I wouldn’t get out of
712
00:32:16,260 –> 00:32:21,000
work until 6 630 I wouldn’t be getting
713
00:32:18,270 –> 00:32:22,920
home till seven seven-thirty here I come
714
00:32:21,000 –> 00:32:23,299
along with a brand new daughter that I
715
00:32:22,920 –> 00:32:25,999
want to
716
00:32:23,299 –> 00:32:28,190
spend more time with I mean there was
717
00:32:25,999 –> 00:32:31,610
that just wasn’t going to work anyway
718
00:32:28,190 –> 00:32:34,190
I’m and so you know Bethenny was like
719
00:32:31,610 –> 00:32:36,469
hey if you want to you know take a stab
720
00:32:34,190 –> 00:32:38,600
at doing the writing and consulting
721
00:32:36,470 –> 00:32:41,269
thing this is a perfect time to do it
722
00:32:38,600 –> 00:32:42,498
full time and so that’s what we did
723
00:32:41,269 –> 00:32:45,289
what you kind of lost right into the
724
00:32:42,499 –> 00:32:46,850
next question which is how was your
725
00:32:45,289 –> 00:32:48,799
dream of writing received by your family
726
00:32:46,850 –> 00:32:50,809
it seems like you’re you know growing up
727
00:32:48,799 –> 00:32:53,299
your family was very supportive of you
728
00:32:50,809 –> 00:32:55,428
being a writer yeah well in and that’s
729
00:32:53,299 –> 00:32:59,59
because I come from arts family my mom
730
00:32:55,429 –> 00:33:01,309
was in theater arm and professor at the
731
00:32:59,59 –> 00:33:03,259
theater so she was a professor at the
732
00:33:01,309 –> 00:33:06,440
University of Iowa for many many years
733
00:33:03,259 –> 00:33:09,619
been was very active in theatres around
734
00:33:06,440 –> 00:33:12,109
the Twin Cities and twenties has a it’s
735
00:33:09,619 –> 00:33:14,899
is number two in in a in the country for
736
00:33:12,109 –> 00:33:18,320
theater right behind New York slightly
737
00:33:14,899 –> 00:33:20,840
bigger than chicago and so yeah theater
738
00:33:18,320 –> 00:33:23,629
is really big here she was an actress
739
00:33:20,840 –> 00:33:27,80
and director my grandmother her mother
740
00:33:23,629 –> 00:33:29,748
was a concert pianist my dad is a
741
00:33:27,80 –> 00:33:33,889
freelance audio engineer and has been
742
00:33:29,749 –> 00:33:36,950
working for himself for 30-40 years so
743
00:33:33,889 –> 00:33:41,928
yeah I come from a family of artists and
744
00:33:36,950 –> 00:33:46,340
least one engineer who are used to
745
00:33:41,929 –> 00:33:49,460
non-traditional jobs of ways of income
746
00:33:46,340 –> 00:33:50,570
ways of making it although both my mom
747
00:33:49,460 –> 00:33:52,999
and grandmother were very much
748
00:33:50,570 –> 00:33:55,668
establishment after a bit my mom wasn’t
749
00:33:52,999 –> 00:33:57,889
at first my dad still to this day
750
00:33:55,669 –> 00:33:59,840
continues to he lives in DC and does
751
00:33:57,889 –> 00:34:01,340
freelance audio engineering eastward for
752
00:33:59,840 –> 00:34:04,39
himself for years and years and years
753
00:34:01,340 –> 00:34:05,779
and years so so yeah it is it’s not
754
00:34:04,39 –> 00:34:07,700
something that was foreign to my to my
755
00:34:05,779 –> 00:34:11,329
family and certainly wasn’t for into my
756
00:34:07,700 –> 00:34:13,280
wife who had recently made a similarly /
757
00:34:11,329 –> 00:34:15,139
self so what steps did you take to get
758
00:34:13,280 –> 00:34:18,349
started once you’re like okay now I’m
759
00:34:15,139 –> 00:34:21,710
out of a job I got this kid we I don’t
760
00:34:18,349 –> 00:34:25,339
have to be working a go
761
00:34:21,710 –> 00:34:29,449
well I mean what was nice was I had had
762
00:34:25,339 –> 00:34:30,259
my consulting business for a while for a
763
00:34:29,449 –> 00:34:32,989
long while
764
00:34:30,260 –> 00:34:35,510
before I met Bethenny but I had always
765
00:34:32,989 –> 00:34:38,449
done that kind of on the side i did try
766
00:34:35,510 –> 00:34:41,750
to do it as my full-time thing for one
767
00:34:38,449 –> 00:34:43,40
year and that year was actually that was
768
00:34:41,750 –> 00:34:45,530
the year when i was having to make
769
00:34:43,40 –> 00:34:47,779
choices decisions about my my Neil
770
00:34:45,530 –> 00:34:51,200
planning for the sake of my children
771
00:34:47,780 –> 00:34:53,870
uh-huh i literally made in this is an
772
00:34:51,199 –> 00:34:58,460
exact figure this was my gross for the
773
00:34:53,870 –> 00:35:01,520
entire year 18650 five dollars that was
774
00:34:58,460 –> 00:35:04,520
my gross for an entire year as a
775
00:35:01,520 –> 00:35:06,410
full-time single father so I just want
776
00:35:04,520 –> 00:35:08,390
to put that into perspective perspective
777
00:35:06,410 –> 00:35:12,109
and let that sink in a little bit
778
00:35:08,390 –> 00:35:15,80
because that’s so far below the poverty
779
00:35:12,110 –> 00:35:17,930
level that is a mystery as to even to me
780
00:35:15,80 –> 00:35:21,950
to this day as to how we didn’t end up
781
00:35:17,930 –> 00:35:23,960
homeless and the only way is the help of
782
00:35:21,950 –> 00:35:28,850
family and friends you know especially
783
00:35:23,960 –> 00:35:31,880
friends who would know my situation but
784
00:35:28,850 –> 00:35:35,600
would never make me feel feel bad or
785
00:35:31,880 –> 00:35:39,890
like a failure and would do things like
786
00:35:35,600 –> 00:35:42,740
you know invite us over to dinner
787
00:35:39,890 –> 00:35:44,720
knowing that ok terrific that’s you know
788
00:35:42,740 –> 00:35:47,000
food that I don’t you know that’s a meal
789
00:35:44,720 –> 00:35:49,910
I don’t have to buy right things like
790
00:35:47,000 –> 00:35:52,10
that but it also helped that my own and
791
00:35:49,910 –> 00:35:54,529
by that time I had really worked hard to
792
00:35:52,10 –> 00:35:57,380
reduce my overhead before i give that a
793
00:35:54,530 –> 00:35:59,780
shot but at the end of that I gotta yeah
794
00:35:57,380 –> 00:36:00,440
I got the offer from Carlton and went to
795
00:35:59,780 –> 00:36:02,900
work there
796
00:36:00,440 –> 00:36:06,20
Carlton had known paid me more than
797
00:36:02,900 –> 00:36:08,450
fairly had tremendous benefits
798
00:36:06,20 –> 00:36:12,140
I mean really good so there was that
799
00:36:08,450 –> 00:36:14,509
yeah so basically i was already in a
800
00:36:12,140 –> 00:36:17,450
good position because i had i had this
801
00:36:14,510 –> 00:36:20,000
existing business i had the client base
802
00:36:17,450 –> 00:36:23,210
for it it was just a matter of building
803
00:36:20,000 –> 00:36:24,620
on that already existing base and so for
804
00:36:23,210 –> 00:36:26,780
a lot of people that want to do this
805
00:36:24,620 –> 00:36:29,900
it’s not a matter of just quitting your
806
00:36:26,780 –> 00:36:31,280
job and walking often watering into this
807
00:36:29,900 –> 00:36:33,650
giant pile of cash
808
00:36:31,280 –> 00:36:36,890
it’s actually sometimes working two jobs
809
00:36:33,650 –> 00:36:38,930
or three whatever doing whatever it is
810
00:36:36,890 –> 00:36:41,990
that you’re doing on the side for a
811
00:36:38,930 –> 00:36:43,609
while to kind of build up that that base
812
00:36:41,990 –> 00:36:46,640
that clientele that
813
00:36:43,610 –> 00:36:49,100
you know whatever it takes you know if
814
00:36:46,640 –> 00:36:53,150
you look around the internet at you know
815
00:36:49,100 –> 00:36:55,910
guys who are you know successful
816
00:36:53,150 –> 00:36:59,720
bloggers you know making money off their
817
00:36:55,910 –> 00:37:02,180
blogs they didn’t do that overnight good
818
00:36:59,720 –> 00:37:05,390
they were working real jobs many of them
819
00:37:02,180 –> 00:37:07,220
are working real jobs and doing that on
820
00:37:05,390 –> 00:37:11,540
the side and trying to figure out a way
821
00:37:07,220 –> 00:37:14,89
to to flip that switch as it were and so
822
00:37:11,540 –> 00:37:17,540
yeah but that I mean that’s part of it i
823
00:37:14,90 –> 00:37:19,190
already had this existing base upon
824
00:37:17,540 –> 00:37:19,790
which the bill that was just a matter of
825
00:37:19,190 –> 00:37:21,110
building it
826
00:37:19,790 –> 00:37:27,380
anybody ever tell you you should be an
827
00:37:21,110 –> 00:37:30,230
accountant yeah oh no no no I I really
828
00:37:27,380 –> 00:37:32,300
shouldn’t be but my wife my that’s part
829
00:37:30,230 –> 00:37:34,880
of what my wife brings to the table so
830
00:37:32,300 –> 00:37:37,820
she manages the money for our business
831
00:37:34,880 –> 00:37:40,130
and cheek in and for several small
832
00:37:37,820 –> 00:37:43,70
nonprofit organizations around town
833
00:37:40,130 –> 00:37:45,920
yeah let’s just say that I’ve read a lot
834
00:37:43,70 –> 00:37:48,410
about money and I have been through a
835
00:37:45,920 –> 00:37:50,150
lot when my first wife and I got
836
00:37:48,410 –> 00:37:54,140
divorced see it
837
00:37:50,150 –> 00:37:57,380
I i used to be i don’t think I was ever
838
00:37:54,140 –> 00:38:00,49
really bad at money i guess i was I kind
839
00:37:57,380 –> 00:38:03,470
of if i had money i would spend it as a
840
00:38:00,50 –> 00:38:05,870
young man I kind of was bad with being
841
00:38:03,470 –> 00:38:08,569
able to save money and being able plan
842
00:38:05,870 –> 00:38:10,910
and things like that and so because of
843
00:38:08,570 –> 00:38:13,460
that i thought my first wife was really
844
00:38:10,910 –> 00:38:15,20
good with money and i literally would
845
00:38:13,460 –> 00:38:16,940
just give my paycheck to her i would
846
00:38:15,20 –> 00:38:19,400
literally sign it over to her I didn’t
847
00:38:16,940 –> 00:38:21,260
even want my name on a bank account i
848
00:38:19,400 –> 00:38:23,60
didn’t have any credit cards in my name
849
00:38:21,260 –> 00:38:25,790
on a bank account i just want to give
850
00:38:23,60 –> 00:38:27,380
all made her just let her manage it and
851
00:38:25,790 –> 00:38:31,430
then if I needed money she would give me
852
00:38:27,380 –> 00:38:33,260
money blah blah blah right well when I
853
00:38:31,430 –> 00:38:37,879
found out was that she wasn’t all that
854
00:38:33,260 –> 00:38:41,120
great with money and by the time of our
855
00:38:37,880 –> 00:38:42,950
divorce we were actually forty thousand
856
00:38:41,120 –> 00:38:47,569
dollars in debt that we had to figure
857
00:38:42,950 –> 00:38:50,149
out because of the fact that i literally
858
00:38:47,570 –> 00:38:52,10
just sign my paycheck over to her and
859
00:38:50,150 –> 00:38:54,330
let her manage things and didn’t really
860
00:38:52,10 –> 00:38:57,180
know the status of things
861
00:38:54,330 –> 00:39:02,9
it kind of came out of our divorce that
862
00:38:57,180 –> 00:39:03,990
she would assume all of that but of
863
00:39:02,10 –> 00:39:05,610
course because my name was on some
864
00:39:03,990 –> 00:39:08,69
things and whatnot my credit was
865
00:39:05,610 –> 00:39:10,110
virtually destroyed so I couldn’t get a
866
00:39:08,70 –> 00:39:12,210
credit card even if I’d wanted to I
867
00:39:10,110 –> 00:39:14,250
couldn’t you know and so I have to
868
00:39:12,210 –> 00:39:16,410
figure out because she wanted out she
869
00:39:14,250 –> 00:39:17,820
wanted she wanted to not be married
870
00:39:16,410 –> 00:39:20,640
anymore she didn’t want to be a
871
00:39:17,820 –> 00:39:23,40
full-time mom anymore i got the house i
872
00:39:20,640 –> 00:39:25,290
got the car I got kids I got the
873
00:39:23,40 –> 00:39:27,960
furniture I I mean she just wanted to
874
00:39:25,290 –> 00:39:30,150
walk away I’m like fine if you want out
875
00:39:27,960 –> 00:39:32,790
that’s terrific take your debt with you
876
00:39:30,150 –> 00:39:35,280
and she did you know kudos to her for
877
00:39:32,790 –> 00:39:37,140
you know I don’t know growing a pair
878
00:39:35,280 –> 00:39:41,100
Manning up
879
00:39:37,140 –> 00:39:43,529
yeah but I did go there
880
00:39:41,100 –> 00:39:45,900
yes so I kind of walk out of it in a
881
00:39:43,530 –> 00:39:49,440
good place i didn’t have this big large
882
00:39:45,900 –> 00:39:52,290
debt but in a bad place which turned out
883
00:39:49,440 –> 00:39:54,300
to be a good place and I couldn’t accrue
884
00:39:52,290 –> 00:39:58,290
more I couldn’t get a credit card to
885
00:39:54,300 –> 00:40:01,290
accrue more debt and so I had I was
886
00:39:58,290 –> 00:40:03,390
forced to work with what I had
887
00:40:01,290 –> 00:40:05,400
which you know at the time I did have a
888
00:40:03,390 –> 00:40:07,410
job when that happened you know i have
889
00:40:05,400 –> 00:40:09,600
had a regular paycheck and whatever and
890
00:40:07,410 –> 00:40:11,910
that was good it was certainly enough to
891
00:40:09,600 –> 00:40:15,150
kind of pay the mortgage and you know
892
00:40:11,910 –> 00:40:17,310
pay for food and gas and other expenses
893
00:40:15,150 –> 00:40:20,760
it wasn’t a whole lot it wasn’t but it
894
00:40:17,310 –> 00:40:22,980
was certainly enough to sustain my two
895
00:40:20,760 –> 00:40:25,680
sons and I and she was giving me a
896
00:40:22,980 –> 00:40:27,570
little bit extra and child support not
897
00:40:25,680 –> 00:40:30,540
what she was supposed to be by the way
898
00:40:27,570 –> 00:40:32,250
she never paid me what she was supposed
899
00:40:30,540 –> 00:40:34,740
to and child support but that’s another
900
00:40:32,250 –> 00:40:37,650
story and all water under the bridge now
901
00:40:34,740 –> 00:40:40,649
as i was getting a ton of help that way
902
00:40:37,650 –> 00:40:42,840
but it was something so I was forced to
903
00:40:40,650 –> 00:40:44,460
live within my means and figure it out
904
00:40:42,840 –> 00:40:46,140
and work with what I had
905
00:40:44,460 –> 00:40:48,570
there were some books that really helped
906
00:40:46,140 –> 00:40:51,720
me one of them being your money or your
907
00:40:48,570 –> 00:40:55,380
life highly recommend that book that
908
00:40:51,720 –> 00:40:59,279
book most of what I think about money
909
00:40:55,380 –> 00:41:02,390
today and how I approach it and how I
910
00:40:59,280 –> 00:41:05,329
approach my relationship with it
911
00:41:02,390 –> 00:41:06,950
can be traced back to that book so no I
912
00:41:05,329 –> 00:41:09,859
shouldn’t be an accountant it just so
913
00:41:06,950 –> 00:41:12,319
happens that I’ve had to learn a lot of
914
00:41:09,859 –> 00:41:14,450
what I’ve had to learn the hard way and
915
00:41:12,319 –> 00:41:15,109
think that’s a perfectly good school to
916
00:41:14,450 –> 00:41:17,598
go to
917
00:41:15,109 –> 00:41:20,630
so I mean obviously you’ve had a a lot
918
00:41:17,599 –> 00:41:22,700
of roadblocks in life but let’s talk
919
00:41:20,630 –> 00:41:27,260
about specifically with writing
920
00:41:22,700 –> 00:41:30,710
well I’m lucky I’m really lucky we live
921
00:41:27,260 –> 00:41:33,650
in an age where we’re writer can
922
00:41:30,710 –> 00:41:34,819
certainly take matters into their own
923
00:41:33,650 –> 00:41:38,420
hands
924
00:41:34,819 –> 00:41:40,759
we’re no longer in this age where you
925
00:41:38,420 –> 00:41:43,99
write this thing and then in order to
926
00:41:40,760 –> 00:41:45,230
put it out into the world you need some
927
00:41:43,99 –> 00:41:47,930
blessing from some publisher big or
928
00:41:45,230 –> 00:41:51,349
small you need someone else to buy into
929
00:41:47,930 –> 00:41:55,279
it and to sell it and to market it and
930
00:41:51,349 –> 00:41:57,319
to and to grow an audience for you that
931
00:41:55,279 –> 00:42:01,819
you have all the tools at your disposal
932
00:41:57,319 –> 00:42:04,609
to grow your own audience and then once
933
00:42:01,819 –> 00:42:08,000
you have grown that audience give them
934
00:42:04,609 –> 00:42:12,740
things that they that will help them
935
00:42:08,000 –> 00:42:17,599
things that will entertain them things
936
00:42:12,740 –> 00:42:19,700
that that matter to them and then charge
937
00:42:17,599 –> 00:42:22,579
them for those things because they are
938
00:42:19,700 –> 00:42:24,769
happy to pay for them just as we are
939
00:42:22,579 –> 00:42:27,140
happy to pay for the things that do
940
00:42:24,769 –> 00:42:30,49
those things for us right
941
00:42:27,140 –> 00:42:32,720
I’m more than happy to pay for just
942
00:42:30,49 –> 00:42:35,990
about anything that Neil Gaiman puts out
943
00:42:32,720 –> 00:42:39,288
or that my friend Kelley McCauley puts
944
00:42:35,990 –> 00:42:42,558
out or that my email that you know
945
00:42:39,289 –> 00:42:46,640
insert author that you like here puts
946
00:42:42,559 –> 00:42:49,670
out why well because I get that much if
947
00:42:46,640 –> 00:42:51,710
not more return on value from that they
948
00:42:49,670 –> 00:42:55,39
entertain me or they helped me in some
949
00:42:51,710 –> 00:42:56,690
way and so yeah we live in this really
950
00:42:55,39 –> 00:43:01,130
unique age where there really is no
951
00:42:56,690 –> 00:43:03,200
excuse for a writer not to make money i
952
00:43:01,130 –> 00:43:05,569
think that sounds pretty serious about
953
00:43:03,200 –> 00:43:08,240
that I don’t mean to sound like papa
954
00:43:05,569 –> 00:43:09,9
sore loser looking for you to do it no
955
00:43:08,240 –> 00:43:11,770
not
956
00:43:09,10 –> 00:43:14,320
no you can you can write something and
957
00:43:11,770 –> 00:43:16,660
you can sell it to one person and boom
958
00:43:14,320 –> 00:43:18,700
there you go you’ve you’ve now made you
959
00:43:16,660 –> 00:43:20,379
now have ten dollars more five dollars
960
00:43:18,700 –> 00:43:22,870
more two dollars more whatever you price
961
00:43:20,380 –> 00:43:24,340
you put on it then you had yesterday and
962
00:43:22,870 –> 00:43:25,29
guess what now you’re a professional
963
00:43:24,340 –> 00:43:26,980
writer
964
00:43:25,30 –> 00:43:29,710
yeah i mean that’s that’s really honest
965
00:43:26,980 –> 00:43:32,290
a funny but it’s it’s interesting that
966
00:43:29,710 –> 00:43:35,50
you say that because it in the face of
967
00:43:32,290 –> 00:43:38,20
newspapers falling out of the sky
968
00:43:35,50 –> 00:43:39,790
yeah and and publishers not really doing
969
00:43:38,20 –> 00:43:41,560
and I’ve talked to other friends of mine
970
00:43:39,790 –> 00:43:43,240
and basically they’ve told me that
971
00:43:41,560 –> 00:43:44,770
publishers don’t do anything that they
972
00:43:43,240 –> 00:43:46,359
don’t expect you to already do for
973
00:43:44,770 –> 00:43:46,780
yourself except they get a 30-percent
974
00:43:46,360 –> 00:43:49,390
cut
975
00:43:46,780 –> 00:43:51,430
yeah yeah yeah and that’s on top of the
976
00:43:49,390 –> 00:43:53,710
thirty percent cut the Amazon and
977
00:43:51,430 –> 00:43:55,750
whoever else is gonna take from your
978
00:43:53,710 –> 00:44:00,460
ebooks or your you know I mean this it’s
979
00:43:55,750 –> 00:44:03,520
ya know it’s yeah at this is in this day
980
00:44:00,460 –> 00:44:05,620
and age there are very few reasons why I
981
00:44:03,520 –> 00:44:09,190
would ever tell anyone to go with a
982
00:44:05,620 –> 00:44:11,830
major publisher and i would say that
983
00:44:09,190 –> 00:44:16,390
you’re better off but let me just put it
984
00:44:11,830 –> 00:44:19,480
this way of the two physical books that
985
00:44:16,390 –> 00:44:22,569
I have done I still keep the majority of
986
00:44:19,480 –> 00:44:24,910
that money there is not a single writer
987
00:44:22,570 –> 00:44:27,130
that I am aware of working for a major
988
00:44:24,910 –> 00:44:29,620
publisher writing for a major publisher
989
00:44:27,130 –> 00:44:34,630
that can say the same they can say that
990
00:44:29,620 –> 00:44:37,120
they keep the majority of the net of
991
00:44:34,630 –> 00:44:40,240
their book sales they make money other
992
00:44:37,120 –> 00:44:42,490
ways take a look at Stephen King Stephen
993
00:44:40,240 –> 00:44:44,200
King probably me my guess would be is
994
00:44:42,490 –> 00:44:47,200
that he’s got one of the best book deals
995
00:44:44,200 –> 00:44:51,700
in the in the business and my bet is is
996
00:44:47,200 –> 00:44:56,649
that he does not keep the the the the
997
00:44:51,700 –> 00:44:58,480
large slice of the sale of every book
998
00:44:56,650 –> 00:45:01,660
that even if we’re talking even if he
999
00:44:58,480 –> 00:45:04,120
gets 49-percent I get more of a
1000
00:45:01,660 –> 00:45:09,759
percentage of mine they are now that’s
1001
00:45:04,120 –> 00:45:11,710
great for him because he that’s not
1002
00:45:09,760 –> 00:45:14,410
worry is making his money right
1003
00:45:11,710 –> 00:45:17,650
he’s making his money in a lot of other
1004
00:45:14,410 –> 00:45:20,620
ways not the least of which is movie
1005
00:45:17,650 –> 00:45:22,360
deals right you know with the mat some
1006
00:45:20,620 –> 00:45:24,640
money that he gets to keep
1007
00:45:22,360 –> 00:45:26,440
completely the same thing is true for I
1008
00:45:24,640 –> 00:45:29,170
mean musicians right musicians aren’t
1009
00:45:26,440 –> 00:45:31,480
making money off of off of mp3 sales or
1010
00:45:29,170 –> 00:45:33,280
album sales or CD sales they don’t think
1011
00:45:31,480 –> 00:45:34,930
that they have made money like that for
1012
00:45:33,280 –> 00:45:36,910
years right
1013
00:45:34,930 –> 00:45:39,549
those things are promotional tools to
1014
00:45:36,910 –> 00:45:42,250
sell other things right the they’re
1015
00:45:39,550 –> 00:45:45,580
there to sell tickets to the tour there
1016
00:45:42,250 –> 00:45:48,460
to sell you know they’re did there to
1017
00:45:45,580 –> 00:45:51,340
sell other things they’re not to sell it
1018
00:45:48,460 –> 00:45:53,290
is not about the the music itself is
1019
00:45:51,340 –> 00:45:56,200
about all the other things that they can
1020
00:45:53,290 –> 00:45:58,390
make money off of that they get to keep
1021
00:45:56,200 –> 00:46:02,20
britney spears doesn’t make a ton of
1022
00:45:58,390 –> 00:46:04,629
money off of the up mp3 cells but you
1023
00:46:02,20 –> 00:46:06,640
know her residency in Las Vegas is meted
1024
00:46:04,630 –> 00:46:08,560
her something like 18 million dollars in
1025
00:46:06,640 –> 00:46:13,000
3-4 months right
1026
00:46:08,560 –> 00:46:16,240
yep you got it i’ll do i’ll take that
1027
00:46:13,000 –> 00:46:17,890
deal all day long so yeah I mean that’s
1028
00:46:16,240 –> 00:46:20,229
basically what it comes down to writers
1029
00:46:17,890 –> 00:46:22,629
you know who worked for major publishers
1030
00:46:20,230 –> 00:46:24,40
are a lot of cases not making money off
1031
00:46:22,630 –> 00:46:26,530
of those blogs what they’re making money
1032
00:46:24,40 –> 00:46:31,690
off of is the other things come out of
1033
00:46:26,530 –> 00:46:33,580
that you know that said one of the many
1034
00:46:31,690 –> 00:46:36,700
reasons why work with a very small
1035
00:46:33,580 –> 00:46:40,390
publisher first today press is a
1036
00:46:36,700 –> 00:46:42,910
longtime friend of mine who cut me a
1037
00:46:40,390 –> 00:46:45,490
deal that is more than more than fair
1038
00:46:42,910 –> 00:46:49,89
you know and the other books that I’ve
1039
00:46:45,490 –> 00:46:51,339
self-published I I get to keep a big
1040
00:46:49,90 –> 00:46:53,920
chunk of that change as it should be and
1041
00:46:51,340 –> 00:46:55,450
any writer can and seriously if you with
1042
00:46:53,920 –> 00:46:57,700
you want to be a writer and you’ve
1043
00:46:55,450 –> 00:47:00,129
written something you do the work you
1044
00:46:57,700 –> 00:47:03,100
put it out there for people to enjoy you
1045
00:47:00,130 –> 00:47:06,520
build an audience through that you know
1046
00:47:03,100 –> 00:47:09,69
that is appreciative of that and is
1047
00:47:06,520 –> 00:47:10,509
willing to buy some of that work from
1048
00:47:09,70 –> 00:47:13,330
you so I mean while we’re on the topic
1049
00:47:10,510 –> 00:47:15,370
of books but let’s talk about your books
1050
00:47:13,330 –> 00:47:17,200
ok well i mean i have one sitting in
1051
00:47:15,370 –> 00:47:18,640
front of me called keeping it straight
1052
00:47:17,200 –> 00:47:20,710
well you have another book I haven’t
1053
00:47:18,640 –> 00:47:23,259
gotten it yet yep it’s all the enough
1054
00:47:20,710 –> 00:47:25,390
that’s another kind of physical book
1055
00:47:23,260 –> 00:47:28,540
I’ve got three other books that are
1056
00:47:25,390 –> 00:47:30,69
lesser than those let’s just let’s just
1057
00:47:28,540 –> 00:47:32,140
say that but they’re also lesser price
1058
00:47:30,70 –> 00:47:32,930
to with the exception of one but you go
1059
00:47:32,140 –> 00:47:34,940
ahead
1060
00:47:32,930 –> 00:47:37,40
that’s so keeping a straight keeping a
1061
00:47:34,940 –> 00:47:39,950
straight was my first actual published
1062
00:47:37,40 –> 00:47:45,230
book discounting that bad book of poetry
1063
00:47:39,950 –> 00:47:47,779
that did ya keeping a straight is a kind
1064
00:47:45,230 –> 00:47:53,630
of play collection of essays written
1065
00:47:47,780 –> 00:47:57,140
over a several year period that covers a
1066
00:47:53,630 –> 00:47:59,869
wide range of topic each one of them
1067
00:47:57,140 –> 00:48:02,868
with some nugget of wisdom that may
1068
00:47:59,869 –> 00:48:04,880
brighten your day may make a little bit
1069
00:48:02,869 –> 00:48:07,99
smarter may help you out in some areas
1070
00:48:04,880 –> 00:48:09,140
of life who knows there’s a little bit
1071
00:48:07,99 –> 00:48:11,450
in there about productivity there’s a
1072
00:48:09,140 –> 00:48:14,569
there’s some personal stories in there
1073
00:48:11,450 –> 00:48:18,410
there’s yeah there’s some stuff about
1074
00:48:14,569 –> 00:48:20,720
mindfulness and minimalism and you know
1075
00:48:18,410 –> 00:48:23,118
that was kind of a kind of a hodgepodge
1076
00:48:20,720 –> 00:48:24,919
of various things that just kind of all
1077
00:48:23,119 –> 00:48:26,930
fit and work together somehow
1078
00:48:24,920 –> 00:48:29,210
yes you know I definitely enjoyed
1079
00:48:26,930 –> 00:48:30,558
reading it is definitely very inspiring
1080
00:48:29,210 –> 00:48:32,930
for me and i would i would recommend
1081
00:48:30,559 –> 00:48:35,869
anybody that was interested in finding a
1082
00:48:32,930 –> 00:48:37,640
bunch of stories short stories the the
1083
00:48:35,869 –> 00:48:40,280
pretty much all one page aren’t a i
1084
00:48:37,640 –> 00:48:43,490
think yeah they’re mostly stops and one
1085
00:48:40,280 –> 00:48:45,410
to two pages here and I mean they share
1086
00:48:43,490 –> 00:48:47,689
a lot of insights that you may have
1087
00:48:45,410 –> 00:48:49,819
thought of at some point but it puts it
1088
00:48:47,690 –> 00:48:52,640
in a such a way that when you read it
1089
00:48:49,819 –> 00:48:56,599
makes sense and sticks to you
1090
00:48:52,640 –> 00:48:58,759
yeah I a lot of people ask me one of the
1091
00:48:56,599 –> 00:49:01,970
hardest questions i struggle with is
1092
00:48:58,760 –> 00:49:05,30
when people ask me what do you write
1093
00:49:01,970 –> 00:49:07,40
what do you write about and it’s a very
1094
00:49:05,30 –> 00:49:09,410
complicated question because I write
1095
00:49:07,40 –> 00:49:13,880
about life and I write I write about
1096
00:49:09,410 –> 00:49:17,29
ideas and ways to approach that life and
1097
00:49:13,880 –> 00:49:19,130
give it value and meaning or i should
1098
00:49:17,30 –> 00:49:22,450
say respecting the value and meaning
1099
00:49:19,130 –> 00:49:25,89
that is already there seeing it
1100
00:49:22,450 –> 00:49:28,990
we’re in otherwise may not appear to you
1101
00:49:25,89 –> 00:49:31,750
and that’s you know something that’s
1102
00:49:28,990 –> 00:49:34,750
really difficult to quantify into words
1103
00:49:31,750 –> 00:49:39,400
or sound bite but I think keeping a
1104
00:49:34,750 –> 00:49:40,930
straight definitely is one of is is
1105
00:49:39,400 –> 00:49:43,510
probably of the things I’ve written
1106
00:49:40,930 –> 00:49:46,960
that’s the thing that most embodies that
1107
00:49:43,510 –> 00:49:49,180
the kind of breath of stuff that i right
1108
00:49:46,960 –> 00:49:50,50
about that make sense yeah yeah
1109
00:49:49,180 –> 00:49:51,759
definitely
1110
00:49:50,50 –> 00:49:54,820
can you share favorite memory from all
1111
00:49:51,760 –> 00:49:57,940
your writing so i’m writing this thing
1112
00:49:54,820 –> 00:50:02,650
right now I’m not even sure what it is
1113
00:49:57,940 –> 00:50:05,859
it’s an idea that I that I started with
1114
00:50:02,650 –> 00:50:09,579
20 years ago and it was just an idea but
1115
00:50:05,859 –> 00:50:12,400
it number one was so i didn’t have a
1116
00:50:09,579 –> 00:50:16,180
firm grasp of the idea it was just kind
1117
00:50:12,400 –> 00:50:18,250
of a nugget and so I kind of just put it
1118
00:50:16,180 –> 00:50:20,410
on the back burner and just kept coming
1119
00:50:18,250 –> 00:50:22,630
back around this little idea and every
1120
00:50:20,410 –> 00:50:24,578
time I came back around it would it
1121
00:50:22,630 –> 00:50:26,890
wouldn’t have a little bit more detail
1122
00:50:24,579 –> 00:50:30,130
say a little bit more to me about what
1123
00:50:26,890 –> 00:50:33,129
it wanted to be or i would see something
1124
00:50:30,130 –> 00:50:35,319
in the news or read something online or
1125
00:50:33,130 –> 00:50:37,300
somewhere in some magazine or something
1126
00:50:35,319 –> 00:50:39,490
that would trigger the idea again and
1127
00:50:37,300 –> 00:50:41,109
add a little bit more to it and I is
1128
00:50:39,490 –> 00:50:43,810
literally been off and on like that for
1129
00:50:41,109 –> 00:50:46,000
20 years and I never thought I could
1130
00:50:43,810 –> 00:50:48,310
write this thing I thought okay this is
1131
00:50:46,000 –> 00:50:52,510
it’s not my genre is kind of a sci-fi
1132
00:50:48,310 –> 00:50:55,509
sort of thing that really but kinda not
1133
00:50:52,510 –> 00:50:58,390
at Syfy friends you know guys that right
1134
00:50:55,510 –> 00:51:00,609
side like published authors who do
1135
00:50:58,390 –> 00:51:02,828
sci-fi like I even wood shop it around
1136
00:51:00,609 –> 00:51:05,529
to them might even say here this idea I
1137
00:51:02,829 –> 00:51:07,930
have and it’s just this kind of whatever
1138
00:51:05,530 –> 00:51:10,119
sort of idea let me throw it out there
1139
00:51:07,930 –> 00:51:11,560
to you and if you want it if you think
1140
00:51:10,119 –> 00:51:13,660
it’s something if it sparks your
1141
00:51:11,560 –> 00:51:15,549
interest you should write this because i
1142
00:51:13,660 –> 00:51:17,950
don’t know if i can do it i don’t think
1143
00:51:15,550 –> 00:51:19,900
it’s not my my skill set
1144
00:51:17,950 –> 00:51:21,790
blah blah blah and I would tell them the
1145
00:51:19,900 –> 00:51:26,20
idea and they go no that’s a great idea
1146
00:51:21,790 –> 00:51:27,840
that you should write yeah okay i guess
1147
00:51:26,20 –> 00:51:32,9
i can’t do this
1148
00:51:27,840 –> 00:51:34,680
and so about almost exactly like four
1149
00:51:32,10 –> 00:51:37,140
weeks ago now it came to me in a dream
1150
00:51:34,680 –> 00:51:40,560
the entire thing out of nowhere I
1151
00:51:37,140 –> 00:51:45,210
suddenly had this dream where i saw this
1152
00:51:40,560 –> 00:51:48,150
i saw the entire thing and i woke up and
1153
00:51:45,210 –> 00:51:52,710
i started writing this and it’s consumed
1154
00:51:48,150 –> 00:51:54,420
me now for weeks and it has i have no
1155
00:51:52,710 –> 00:51:56,310
idea what it is i don’t know if it’s
1156
00:51:54,420 –> 00:51:58,530
going to be a book i don’t know if it’s
1157
00:51:56,310 –> 00:52:00,420
going to be a short story i don’t know
1158
00:51:58,530 –> 00:52:02,640
if this is something that will ever see
1159
00:52:00,420 –> 00:52:05,70
the light of day or if i’ll be able to
1160
00:52:02,640 –> 00:52:08,190
make any money off that I have no idea
1161
00:52:05,70 –> 00:52:11,610
what it is i just have to write it and
1162
00:52:08,190 –> 00:52:15,420
so yeah I guess that’s a memory that
1163
00:52:11,610 –> 00:52:18,30
immediately comes to mind because so
1164
00:52:15,420 –> 00:52:18,690
much of what I write comes to me already
1165
00:52:18,30 –> 00:52:20,370
written
1166
00:52:18,690 –> 00:52:24,000
I know that sounds strange to a lot of
1167
00:52:20,370 –> 00:52:28,290
people and it’s not like I just know it
1168
00:52:24,000 –> 00:52:30,990
is I i sit down and like something takes
1169
00:52:28,290 –> 00:52:32,820
over and it just comes out of me and
1170
00:52:30,990 –> 00:52:34,140
yeah sure I do some little bit of
1171
00:52:32,820 –> 00:52:39,90
editing and maybe a little bit of
1172
00:52:34,140 –> 00:52:40,830
rewording I’m going back but most of it
1173
00:52:39,90 –> 00:52:43,860
not most of it
1174
00:52:40,830 –> 00:52:46,110
what you see is a first draft that just
1175
00:52:43,860 –> 00:52:47,580
came out like that and so what’s
1176
00:52:46,110 –> 00:52:49,380
interesting I think about about the
1177
00:52:47,580 –> 00:52:52,290
thing I’m working on now is that that
1178
00:52:49,380 –> 00:52:54,510
also just came to me but it it actually
1179
00:52:52,290 –> 00:52:55,710
is getting better as i write it as I
1180
00:52:54,510 –> 00:52:58,110
actually do the work
1181
00:52:55,710 –> 00:53:00,780
it’s not coming out just kind of popped
1182
00:52:58,110 –> 00:53:03,150
onto the page it’s getting better and
1183
00:53:00,780 –> 00:53:05,880
better and better every time i go back
1184
00:53:03,150 –> 00:53:07,560
through it and rewrite it so yeah I
1185
00:53:05,880 –> 00:53:09,420
don’t I didn’t mean to go off on a
1186
00:53:07,560 –> 00:53:11,220
tangent there but I’m calculus about
1187
00:53:09,420 –> 00:53:13,650
obsessed with it right now
1188
00:53:11,220 –> 00:53:16,259
now that’s fine I i like the fact that
1189
00:53:13,650 –> 00:53:18,480
you shared that so if you know if I can
1190
00:53:16,260 –> 00:53:19,890
have you on the show again you know six
1191
00:53:18,480 –> 00:53:22,500
months a year from now we can actually
1192
00:53:19,890 –> 00:53:24,839
visit that yeah i can say here’s that
1193
00:53:22,500 –> 00:53:27,150
thing and I made absolutely no money
1194
00:53:24,840 –> 00:53:30,400
from it but oh my gosh was it so much
1195
00:53:27,150 –> 00:53:33,940
fun right
1196
00:53:30,400 –> 00:53:35,799
so is there any party dream that haven’t
1197
00:53:33,940 –> 00:53:37,270
quite worked out yet is so hard to say
1198
00:53:35,799 –> 00:53:39,490
because i’m so thankful for what I have
1199
00:53:37,270 –> 00:53:42,339
because what I have is so much more than
1200
00:53:39,490 –> 00:53:44,618
so many other people you know I I don’t
1201
00:53:42,339 –> 00:53:47,710
say that to brag and I don’t say that I
1202
00:53:44,619 –> 00:53:50,289
say that to be humble right because I
1203
00:53:47,710 –> 00:53:52,900
I’ve been in a really much worse place
1204
00:53:50,289 –> 00:53:55,420
emotionally and physically and
1205
00:53:52,900 –> 00:53:59,619
financially and everything else but
1206
00:53:55,420 –> 00:54:04,299
right now I i’m not there i have a
1207
00:53:59,619 –> 00:54:07,660
wonderful life filled with friends and
1208
00:54:04,299 –> 00:54:10,630
people that care a wife who I just
1209
00:54:07,660 –> 00:54:14,170
celebrated a years with this the this
1210
00:54:10,630 –> 00:54:18,220
past Sunday who I absolutely adore and
1211
00:54:14,170 –> 00:54:22,720
respect and I’m all of and in worship
1212
00:54:18,220 –> 00:54:27,788
I’ve got a little girl who is just a joy
1213
00:54:22,720 –> 00:54:32,649
and a pleasure and so much fun to to be
1214
00:54:27,789 –> 00:54:34,990
around and just fills my life with just
1215
00:54:32,650 –> 00:54:36,940
such happiness we have our struggles
1216
00:54:34,990 –> 00:54:40,209
like everybody else right now we’re
1217
00:54:36,940 –> 00:54:45,520
dealing with the little girl got got
1218
00:54:40,210 –> 00:54:49,89
licensed camp and hell and so spread to
1219
00:54:45,520 –> 00:54:52,599
Bethany luckily being both short-haired
1220
00:54:49,89 –> 00:54:57,308
an african-american i have been spared
1221
00:54:52,599 –> 00:54:59,650
this far but but you know dealing with
1222
00:54:57,309 –> 00:55:01,270
that you know we’ve had our challenges
1223
00:54:59,650 –> 00:55:02,559
we’ve had our struggles is finding my
1224
00:55:01,270 –> 00:55:05,740
wife and I actually went out our
1225
00:55:02,559 –> 00:55:08,500
anniversary dinner last night so in lieu
1226
00:55:05,740 –> 00:55:10,990
of a greeting card we started this
1227
00:55:08,500 –> 00:55:13,270
practice where we write to each other in
1228
00:55:10,990 –> 00:55:15,430
a notebook that we will pass back and
1229
00:55:13,270 –> 00:55:17,799
forth and I wrote or about all the
1230
00:55:15,430 –> 00:55:20,78
wonderful toys and stuff like that and
1231
00:55:17,799 –> 00:55:22,420
the filled the past eight years and some
1232
00:55:20,79 –> 00:55:24,339
of the great memories and wonderful
1233
00:55:22,420 –> 00:55:25,180
travels that we’ve taken and things like
1234
00:55:24,339 –> 00:55:28,270
that
1235
00:55:25,180 –> 00:55:30,700
but I said I it to her over dinner that
1236
00:55:28,270 –> 00:55:32,589
I didn’t want to write this and in you
1237
00:55:30,700 –> 00:55:34,299
know something else that supposed to be
1238
00:55:32,589 –> 00:55:37,359
about you know the love and the joy and
1239
00:55:34,300 –> 00:55:40,720
all of that but we’ve all also faced a
1240
00:55:37,359 –> 00:55:43,328
lot of a lot of difficult things you
1241
00:55:40,720 –> 00:55:46,450
know she lost her mother to cancer a
1242
00:55:43,329 –> 00:55:50,109
year after we got married you know and
1243
00:55:46,450 –> 00:55:52,359
we spent three weeks in literally by her
1244
00:55:50,109 –> 00:55:58,270
side and the hospital room
1245
00:55:52,359 –> 00:55:59,680
her mother died on Christmas Day in my
1246
00:55:58,270 –> 00:56:05,589
arms hit
1247
00:55:59,680 –> 00:56:08,410
oh are you know that
1248
00:56:05,589 –> 00:56:12,9
yeah we’ve we’ve had our struggles we’ve
1249
00:56:08,410 –> 00:56:15,160
had our challenges but even those have
1250
00:56:12,10 –> 00:56:18,309
been moved valuable lessons and are part
1251
00:56:15,160 –> 00:56:20,290
of our journey and I look back on how
1252
00:56:18,309 –> 00:56:24,339
we’ve come through those struggles and
1253
00:56:20,290 –> 00:56:28,900
how we come out the other side without
1254
00:56:24,339 –> 00:56:30,339
killing each other without you know and
1255
00:56:28,900 –> 00:56:32,230
then the better for it
1256
00:56:30,339 –> 00:56:36,160
yeah i’m i’m incredibly blessed and
1257
00:56:32,230 –> 00:56:39,280
lucky I I i wish i could say that Aldo
1258
00:56:36,160 –> 00:56:41,379
things are so her mobile google but
1259
00:56:39,280 –> 00:56:44,470
quite frankly you know each one of us
1260
00:56:41,380 –> 00:56:45,99
has at best a hundred years that’s
1261
00:56:44,470 –> 00:56:47,78
nothing
1262
00:56:45,99 –> 00:56:49,750
it really isn’t you know when you think
1263
00:56:47,79 –> 00:56:51,940
about the fact that this the universe
1264
00:56:49,750 –> 00:56:55,240
has been around for about fifteen
1265
00:56:51,940 –> 00:56:57,280
billion years our planet 3 billion human
1266
00:56:55,240 –> 00:57:00,220
life on this planet you know tens of
1267
00:56:57,280 –> 00:57:03,549
thousands a hundred years is nothing
1268
00:57:00,220 –> 00:57:07,89
it’s extremely fine I none of his
1269
00:57:03,549 –> 00:57:11,470
guaranteed one of my favorite recent
1270
00:57:07,89 –> 00:57:14,740
thoughts on this is I’ve got a friend
1271
00:57:11,470 –> 00:57:16,598
who has another friend and neighbor down
1272
00:57:14,740 –> 00:57:21,189
the street who has lou gehrig’s disease
1273
00:57:16,599 –> 00:57:22,930
ALS she was relating the story to me he
1274
00:57:21,190 –> 00:57:25,000
said that he loves it when you know kind
1275
00:57:22,930 –> 00:57:28,118
of people come by the house and you know
1276
00:57:25,000 –> 00:57:30,99
it knowing his situation knowing the
1277
00:57:28,119 –> 00:57:32,380
finite nature of his life you know that
1278
00:57:30,99 –> 00:57:35,530
maybe he’ll be gone in two to three
1279
00:57:32,380 –> 00:57:37,960
months you know they they come in and
1280
00:57:35,530 –> 00:57:40,180
they say oh yeah we’re so sorry
1281
00:57:37,960 –> 00:57:43,690
you know his responses will don’t be
1282
00:57:40,180 –> 00:57:45,160
sorry for me I know when I’m gonna die I
1283
00:57:43,690 –> 00:57:45,880
know exactly kind of how it’s gonna
1284
00:57:45,160 –> 00:57:48,69
happen
1285
00:57:45,880 –> 00:57:49,690
even I can tell you like everything
1286
00:57:48,70 –> 00:57:50,440
there is to know about my impending
1287
00:57:49,690 –> 00:57:52,900
death
1288
00:57:50,440 –> 00:57:55,420
you on the other hand have no idea when
1289
00:57:52,900 –> 00:57:58,210
it’s going to come you could walk out
1290
00:57:55,420 –> 00:57:59,410
that door and get literally hit by the
1291
00:57:58,210 –> 00:58:01,540
river real bus
1292
00:57:59,410 –> 00:58:03,910
guess what I know that’s not how I’m
1293
00:58:01,540 –> 00:58:06,910
going to go because I can’t walk
1294
00:58:03,910 –> 00:58:09,730
I can’t go out the door
1295
00:58:06,910 –> 00:58:12,460
I’m not going to get hit by a bus the
1296
00:58:09,730 –> 00:58:14,20
fact is I may live longer than you
1297
00:58:12,460 –> 00:58:15,580
it’s putting into perspective most
1298
00:58:14,20 –> 00:58:18,160
certainly and it’s the truth
1299
00:58:15,580 –> 00:58:21,549
I know I know it sounds cliché to live
1300
00:58:18,160 –> 00:58:24,940
each day as if it’s your last but i can
1301
00:58:21,550 –> 00:58:28,30
tell you for certain that i have known
1302
00:58:24,940 –> 00:58:31,210
i’m from 46 I could rattle off half a
1303
00:58:28,30 –> 00:58:33,880
dozen people friends people I knew well
1304
00:58:31,210 –> 00:58:34,900
that were there one day and gone the
1305
00:58:33,880 –> 00:58:38,410
next
1306
00:58:34,900 –> 00:58:41,230
my friend Steve who went out in the
1307
00:58:38,410 –> 00:58:45,310
middle of winter to paint a garage that
1308
00:58:41,230 –> 00:58:47,710
he had just built and had a bad here had
1309
00:58:45,310 –> 00:58:49,630
a bad space heater in that garage felt a
1310
00:58:47,710 –> 00:58:52,810
little tired thought it was just the
1311
00:58:49,630 –> 00:58:54,580
late hour didn’t wake back up again this
1312
00:58:52,810 –> 00:58:58,930
is someone who I literally seen the day
1313
00:58:54,580 –> 00:59:01,839
before and had given a gift even right I
1314
00:58:58,930 –> 00:59:04,868
my friend Stacey when i was when i was a
1315
00:59:01,839 –> 00:59:05,650
teenager she was in college I went to a
1316
00:59:04,869 –> 00:59:08,710
party
1317
00:59:05,650 –> 00:59:10,630
you’ll not she was not a wild party girl
1318
00:59:08,710 –> 00:59:13,150
but was at this party and someone
1319
00:59:10,630 –> 00:59:14,720
offered her some coke and she thought
1320
00:59:13,150 –> 00:59:18,500
you know
1321
00:59:14,720 –> 00:59:21,348
I’ll try it dad just had a bad reaction
1322
00:59:18,500 –> 00:59:25,760
had a heart attack died literally within
1323
00:59:21,349 –> 00:59:27,590
minutes so I know it sounds cliché I
1324
00:59:25,760 –> 00:59:29,599
don’t have any fear of death because i
1325
00:59:27,590 –> 00:59:30,859
know that death is coming
1326
00:59:29,599 –> 00:59:32,960
it’s not a matter of if it’s a matter
1327
00:59:30,859 –> 00:59:36,170
when as a matter of fact death is the
1328
00:59:32,960 –> 00:59:39,20
one constant in this universe anything
1329
00:59:36,170 –> 00:59:41,900
that is born will die this planet will
1330
00:59:39,20 –> 00:59:44,540
die this galaxy will die
1331
00:59:41,900 –> 00:59:45,740
our son died the universe eventually
1332
00:59:44,540 –> 00:59:49,460
will die
1333
00:59:45,740 –> 00:59:53,390
anything that lives dies is perhaps the
1334
00:59:49,460 –> 00:59:55,160
only universal truth there is and quite
1335
00:59:53,390 –> 00:59:58,490
frankly all of those things I just
1336
00:59:55,160 –> 01:00:02,000
rattled off will live far longer than
1337
00:59:58,490 –> 01:00:03,740
any literally thousands of times
1338
01:00:02,000 –> 01:00:06,109
tens of thousands hundreds of thousands
1339
01:00:03,740 –> 01:00:09,379
of times billions of thousands of times
1340
01:00:06,109 –> 01:00:12,500
longer than we will
1341
01:00:09,380 –> 01:00:15,170
so for me to complain about any single
1342
01:00:12,500 –> 01:00:15,800
thing in my life is all wind and sales
1343
01:00:15,170 –> 01:00:16,910
man
1344
01:00:15,800 –> 01:00:23,450
so what are your dreams for the future
1345
01:00:16,910 –> 01:00:25,368
look like little bit lovely follow-up
1346
01:00:23,450 –> 01:00:32,598
question lovely follow
1347
01:00:25,369 –> 01:00:34,580
thank you oh jeez you know what my
1348
01:00:32,599 –> 01:00:37,520
dreams for the future look like this
1349
01:00:34,580 –> 01:00:39,920
I hope that when i get off this call i
1350
01:00:37,520 –> 01:00:42,619
have just enough time for watch and then
1351
01:00:39,920 –> 01:00:44,359
i’m going to i’m going to send a text to
1352
01:00:42,619 –> 01:00:47,180
my our friend who’s building the
1353
01:00:44,359 –> 01:00:48,710
building the fence for us and I’m going
1354
01:00:47,180 –> 01:00:52,848
to check in and see if he needs any help
1355
01:00:48,710 –> 01:00:55,970
and if anything my dream is to have a
1356
01:00:52,849 –> 01:00:58,849
have a new fence at some point by the
1357
01:00:55,970 –> 01:01:03,500
end of the day today or tomorrow
1358
01:00:58,849 –> 01:01:05,420
that’s that’s my dream I be not okay and
1359
01:01:03,500 –> 01:01:07,940
it and I mean then that is to say that
1360
01:01:05,420 –> 01:01:10,400
I’m too i’m too busy concentrating on
1361
01:01:07,940 –> 01:01:13,430
right now and and a few moments from
1362
01:01:10,400 –> 01:01:15,710
right now for me too if I were to say
1363
01:01:13,430 –> 01:01:18,290
what are my dreams for the future guy
1364
01:01:15,710 –> 01:01:20,420
gosh I hope that Beatrix grows up and in
1365
01:01:18,290 –> 01:01:23,259
a world that’s still here that would be
1366
01:01:20,420 –> 01:01:25,240
nice i’m super kind of
1367
01:01:23,260 –> 01:01:28,810
you no worry that’s not going to be the
1368
01:01:25,240 –> 01:01:30,879
case just for a number of reasons not
1369
01:01:28,810 –> 01:01:32,830
the least of which is you know we’ve
1370
01:01:30,880 –> 01:01:35,380
we’ve got a very serious problem on our
1371
01:01:32,830 –> 01:01:37,569
hands with with climate change and we’ve
1372
01:01:35,380 –> 01:01:39,160
got all of the technology to I don’t
1373
01:01:37,570 –> 01:01:41,110
know make some immediate and quick
1374
01:01:39,160 –> 01:01:43,390
changes but none of the people willing
1375
01:01:41,110 –> 01:01:45,400
to get together and talk about it and
1376
01:01:43,390 –> 01:01:47,589
put down their differences and get the
1377
01:01:45,400 –> 01:01:49,270
work worked on you know we could power
1378
01:01:47,590 –> 01:01:51,850
this entire planet with solar panels
1379
01:01:49,270 –> 01:01:53,470
that would take up and take up so little
1380
01:01:51,850 –> 01:01:56,319
space in the middle of the desert in
1381
01:01:53,470 –> 01:01:58,330
Africa that you know if you were to see
1382
01:01:56,320 –> 01:02:00,700
it from a satellite you couldn’t even
1383
01:01:58,330 –> 01:02:02,980
see it from space you wouldn’t be able
1384
01:02:00,700 –> 01:02:03,730
to see it with the naked eye yet is that
1385
01:02:02,980 –> 01:02:09,400
happening
1386
01:02:03,730 –> 01:02:12,70
no you know you on must just released
1387
01:02:09,400 –> 01:02:16,270
all the technology needed to make
1388
01:02:12,70 –> 01:02:19,30
completely clean electric vehicles
1389
01:02:16,270 –> 01:02:21,460
available to anyone we get all be
1390
01:02:19,30 –> 01:02:23,410
driving Tesla technology and every
1391
01:02:21,460 –> 01:02:27,220
single one of every single one of our
1392
01:02:23,410 –> 01:02:29,80
cars and in chevrolet and forward and
1393
01:02:27,220 –> 01:02:32,49
all of the auto manufacturers could
1394
01:02:29,80 –> 01:02:33,40
switch their entire vehicle fleet to it
1395
01:02:32,50 –> 01:02:35,770
tomorrow
1396
01:02:33,40 –> 01:02:37,750
not going to happen so I mean the other
1397
01:02:35,770 –> 01:02:39,490
these are things I worry about I suppose
1398
01:02:37,750 –> 01:02:42,850
my dreams for the future that my
1399
01:02:39,490 –> 01:02:46,629
daughter grows up to have have the
1400
01:02:42,850 –> 01:02:48,220
ability to live hers that my son’s you
1401
01:02:46,630 –> 01:02:50,200
know continue to find their way as
1402
01:02:48,220 –> 01:02:53,140
adults young men and an increasingly
1403
01:02:50,200 –> 01:02:54,609
difficult world for adult young men
1404
01:02:53,140 –> 01:02:57,549
especially adults young men of color
1405
01:02:54,610 –> 01:03:01,420
especially about young men of color who
1406
01:02:57,550 –> 01:03:03,970
have who have not received all of the
1407
01:03:01,420 –> 01:03:05,740
education that is was made available to
1408
01:03:03,970 –> 01:03:08,379
them i mean i have these are the sorts
1409
01:03:05,740 –> 01:03:10,959
of things I hoped for i guess but right
1410
01:03:08,380 –> 01:03:13,120
now I like to you know go with the
1411
01:03:10,960 –> 01:03:13,630
warranty on quote getting back again to
1412
01:03:13,120 –> 01:03:17,170
death
1413
01:03:13,630 –> 01:03:19,210
Warren Zevon musician most famously
1414
01:03:17,170 –> 01:03:21,970
known for werewolves of london was a
1415
01:03:19,210 –> 01:03:23,980
frequent guest on the David Letterman
1416
01:03:21,970 –> 01:03:26,319
Show he got brain cancer
1417
01:03:23,980 –> 01:03:29,50
newly only had a few months live Dave
1418
01:03:26,320 –> 01:03:31,210
but invited him on for a final kind of
1419
01:03:29,50 –> 01:03:33,100
farewell performance you know they
1420
01:03:31,210 –> 01:03:35,170
didn’t well too much on the fact that
1421
01:03:33,100 –> 01:03:37,450
you know he was dying but they’ve said
1422
01:03:35,170 –> 01:03:40,60
you know hey you know kind of know
1423
01:03:37,450 –> 01:03:42,250
what’s going on and kind of on the other
1424
01:03:40,60 –> 01:03:43,840
side of this reality they say that you
1425
01:03:42,250 –> 01:03:46,120
know if you kind of know this stuff you
1426
01:03:43,840 –> 01:03:47,710
get this great wisdom and you don’t
1427
01:03:46,120 –> 01:03:51,520
think like that yes or anything that
1428
01:03:47,710 –> 01:03:53,650
you’ve learned the you a final kind of
1429
01:03:51,520 –> 01:03:57,220
thought you’d like to impart or anything
1430
01:03:53,650 –> 01:03:58,990
like that and warren zevon just kind of
1431
01:03:57,220 –> 01:04:00,580
said yeah it’s constructed shoulder and
1432
01:03:58,990 –> 01:04:02,890
said well i guess just enjoy your
1433
01:04:00,580 –> 01:04:04,779
sandwich enjoy every sandwich that’s the
1434
01:04:02,890 –> 01:04:06,970
only dream i have before we get to your
1435
01:04:04,780 –> 01:04:08,980
your last thoughts what site i assume
1436
01:04:06,970 –> 01:04:09,669
you have more to say then enjoy every
1437
01:04:08,980 –> 01:04:12,430
sandwich
1438
01:04:09,670 –> 01:04:14,290
good let’s talk about because you have
1439
01:04:12,430 –> 01:04:15,850
so many and and I know we’re running
1440
01:04:14,290 –> 01:04:18,550
extremely long
1441
01:04:15,850 –> 01:04:20,200
I’m sorry I no don’t be sorry I’d love
1442
01:04:18,550 –> 01:04:21,610
hearing your stories and and the
1443
01:04:20,200 –> 01:04:23,140
struggles that you’ve dealt with over
1444
01:04:21,610 –> 01:04:24,610
the years and it really puts a lot of
1445
01:04:23,140 –> 01:04:28,29
things in perspective especially as a
1446
01:04:24,610 –> 01:04:30,160
fan to hear these stories so I mean
1447
01:04:28,30 –> 01:04:34,450
let’s get to your blog’s I mean you got
1448
01:04:30,160 –> 01:04:37,720
mental math yeah real mac pro com the
1449
01:04:34,450 –> 01:04:40,689
cramped which is my my blog this kind of
1450
01:04:37,720 –> 01:04:43,750
focused on paper and pens and
1451
01:04:40,690 –> 01:04:44,530
typewriters and sort of analog writing
1452
01:04:43,750 –> 01:04:48,520
tools
1453
01:04:44,530 –> 01:04:50,260
yeah I’ve got a few and I got me a guy
1454
01:04:48,520 –> 01:04:52,480
goes write a blog for my daughter
1455
01:04:50,260 –> 01:04:56,440
I’ve got a tumblr called the random post
1456
01:04:52,480 –> 01:05:00,850
armed got a lot of sites is hard to keep
1457
01:04:56,440 –> 01:05:03,940
them all straight but don’t bump on
1458
01:05:00,850 –> 01:05:05,200
actually no no it’s not hard to keep
1459
01:05:03,940 –> 01:05:08,830
them all straight and there’s a reason
1460
01:05:05,200 –> 01:05:12,430
why that summer separated from others
1461
01:05:08,830 –> 01:05:14,680
right you know i know there are some
1462
01:05:12,430 –> 01:05:16,750
topics like the intersection of
1463
01:05:14,680 –> 01:05:21,220
Technology and simplicity with minimal
1464
01:05:16,750 –> 01:05:24,190
mac that I feel are large enough and
1465
01:05:21,220 –> 01:05:27,189
deep enough for me to spend years
1466
01:05:24,190 –> 01:05:30,880
exploring just that topic like there’s
1467
01:05:27,190 –> 01:05:31,660
enough to wrap that around the site as
1468
01:05:30,880 –> 01:05:34,600
it were
1469
01:05:31,660 –> 01:05:38,560
same thing with the with the cramped now
1470
01:05:34,600 –> 01:05:40,630
there’s a lot a lot of pin blogs out
1471
01:05:38,560 –> 01:05:42,70
there there’s a lot of notebook blogs
1472
01:05:40,630 –> 01:05:43,880
out there there’s a lot of you and they
1473
01:05:42,70 –> 01:05:45,319
do lots of product reviews
1474
01:05:43,880 –> 01:05:47,59
things like that and I don’t knock at
1475
01:05:45,319 –> 01:05:51,470
all as a matter of fact I think you
1476
01:05:47,59 –> 01:05:53,539
folks like Brad dowdy and reichert with
1477
01:05:51,470 –> 01:05:55,848
the well-appointed desk
1478
01:05:53,539 –> 01:05:58,789
Brad he does the pen and I do I think
1479
01:05:55,849 –> 01:06:00,380
there’s a lot of room for that I wanted
1480
01:05:58,789 –> 01:06:02,930
to take a slightly different approach
1481
01:06:00,380 –> 01:06:05,720
not to say that I won’t do some product
1482
01:06:02,930 –> 01:06:08,538
reviews when and have at the cramped but
1483
01:06:05,720 –> 01:06:12,230
that my want to approach this from a
1484
01:06:08,539 –> 01:06:14,329
actual usage and action perspective like
1485
01:06:12,230 –> 01:06:17,720
it not just about the tools themselves
1486
01:06:14,329 –> 01:06:19,970
but like how they’re used i want i want
1487
01:06:17,720 –> 01:06:22,279
to see things that are being used and
1488
01:06:19,970 –> 01:06:25,669
loved right i wanna you know see
1489
01:06:22,279 –> 01:06:27,980
handwriting I want to see I want I want
1490
01:06:25,670 –> 01:06:30,500
to see typing Chrissy like things being
1491
01:06:27,980 –> 01:06:35,900
used i don’t know if that makes sense
1492
01:06:30,500 –> 01:06:37,309
but it does to me and so yeah that’s why
1493
01:06:35,900 –> 01:06:40,700
I have a lot because there are some
1494
01:06:37,309 –> 01:06:42,259
subjects that that I feel warranted for
1495
01:06:40,700 –> 01:06:42,680
everything else that goes on my personal
1496
01:06:42,259 –> 01:06:44,450
site
1497
01:06:42,680 –> 01:06:47,419
yeah i mean the way I found out about
1498
01:06:44,450 –> 01:06:50,328
you i think was to all or I think it’s
1499
01:06:47,420 –> 01:06:52,670
probably too all.com you ever posted one
1500
01:06:50,329 –> 01:06:54,109
of your posts for minimal Matt yeah and
1501
01:06:52,670 –> 01:06:55,849
that’s when I found out about you and
1502
01:06:54,109 –> 01:06:58,38
then you eventually started your own
1503
01:06:55,849 –> 01:07:01,130
podcast which was I thought was great
1504
01:06:58,39 –> 01:07:03,19
because I i listen to that that episode
1505
01:07:01,130 –> 01:07:07,220
with the two British fellows
1506
01:07:03,19 –> 01:07:09,859
oh wow so so Mike who’s always host on
1507
01:07:07,220 –> 01:07:12,500
the show but I don’t know the other one
1508
01:07:09,859 –> 01:07:15,500
would have been Terry Lucy your eye
1509
01:07:12,500 –> 01:07:17,750
well no no not on your show all the bro
1510
01:07:15,500 –> 01:07:20,299
show the brochure right right yeah yeah
1511
01:07:17,750 –> 01:07:23,359
I was Terry Lucy and and my curly yeah
1512
01:07:20,299 –> 01:07:25,788
and then then you guys got together and
1513
01:07:23,359 –> 01:07:27,410
started enough which yeah it’s really
1514
01:07:25,789 –> 01:07:30,19
good i mean some of my favorite things
1515
01:07:27,410 –> 01:07:34,220
from that was the clothes hanger trick
1516
01:07:30,19 –> 01:07:38,689
that works really well I do that all the
1517
01:07:34,220 –> 01:07:41,000
time it does actually I i do it i had to
1518
01:07:38,690 –> 01:07:43,640
keep going back through it too thick to
1519
01:07:41,000 –> 01:07:45,950
prune and it doesn’t help when you your
1520
01:07:43,640 –> 01:07:48,288
weight goes up and down as i was mine
1521
01:07:45,950 –> 01:07:49,308
does because I’m a runner but Allah part
1522
01:07:48,289 –> 01:07:52,609
part of the time
1523
01:07:49,309 –> 01:07:54,289
yeah well and so the clothes hanger
1524
01:07:52,609 –> 01:07:56,220
trick for those who are listening to
1525
01:07:54,289 –> 01:07:59,280
this and are familiar here’s here’s
1526
01:07:56,220 –> 01:08:02,160
what it is once the season take all take
1527
01:07:59,280 –> 01:08:04,859
all your clothes there are hangers and
1528
01:08:02,160 –> 01:08:07,440
and even if you have something are maybe
1529
01:08:04,859 –> 01:08:09,598
put them on a hanger and turn that
1530
01:08:07,440 –> 01:08:11,849
hangar backwards in your closet so
1531
01:08:09,599 –> 01:08:12,780
instead of hanging it like in where you
1532
01:08:11,849 –> 01:08:15,810
can grab it
1533
01:08:12,780 –> 01:08:18,29
hang it from the back turn it around so
1534
01:08:15,810 –> 01:08:20,250
the hook is coming from the back do that
1535
01:08:18,29 –> 01:08:22,799
with all of them then as you go through
1536
01:08:20,250 –> 01:08:24,479
the season when you take out you know
1537
01:08:22,799 –> 01:08:26,130
close to where you take that you know
1538
01:08:24,479 –> 01:08:28,410
hanging now you can have to remove it
1539
01:08:26,130 –> 01:08:30,359
backwards to get it out but you take
1540
01:08:28,410 –> 01:08:32,849
that off and you put it back in the
1541
01:08:30,359 –> 01:08:34,589
right way and you make sure what
1542
01:08:32,850 –> 01:08:36,420
everywhere would wash it whenever put it
1543
01:08:34,589 –> 01:08:39,839
back on the hanger the right way but
1544
01:08:36,420 –> 01:08:41,640
basically what you’ll find is that at
1545
01:08:39,839 –> 01:08:45,809
the end of that if you have anything
1546
01:08:41,640 –> 01:08:47,940
that is still facing the wrong direction
1547
01:08:45,810 –> 01:08:49,770
that’s the time to ask yourself whether
1548
01:08:47,939 –> 01:08:52,318
or not that stuff you really actually
1549
01:08:49,770 –> 01:08:52,770
need because you’re actually not using
1550
01:08:52,319 –> 01:08:55,620
it
1551
01:08:52,770 –> 01:08:57,719
yeah definitely and I love it because it
1552
01:08:55,620 –> 01:09:00,988
definitely brings close to the forefront
1553
01:08:57,719 –> 01:09:03,689
that I thought I was wearing or going to
1554
01:09:00,988 –> 01:09:06,238
wear and then never actually did do
1555
01:09:03,689 –> 01:09:09,660
yeah and they’re going to be some things
1556
01:09:06,238 –> 01:09:11,160
that you wear very infrequently if you
1557
01:09:09,660 –> 01:09:12,479
don’t especially if you work for
1558
01:09:11,160 –> 01:09:16,19
yourself and you don’t have the sort of
1559
01:09:12,479 –> 01:09:18,540
in you know thing where you’re wearing a
1560
01:09:16,20 –> 01:09:19,529
suit and a nice shirt all the time well
1561
01:09:18,540 –> 01:09:21,000
guess what
1562
01:09:19,529 –> 01:09:22,500
you still might need that seemed mad
1563
01:09:21,000 –> 01:09:24,270
nice shirt for the odd funeral that
1564
01:09:22,500 –> 01:09:27,270
comes up but then you may not wear it
1565
01:09:24,270 –> 01:09:29,549
for you know a year you know I mean like
1566
01:09:27,270 –> 01:09:31,290
you know they’re going to be the sum of
1567
01:09:29,549 –> 01:09:33,299
those things this is not to say that you
1568
01:09:31,290 –> 01:09:35,370
always just all that stuff away
1569
01:09:33,299 –> 01:09:36,870
this is just simply to say those are the
1570
01:09:35,370 –> 01:09:40,920
things that you should be asking the
1571
01:09:36,870 –> 01:09:42,988
question about do i need this if so why
1572
01:09:40,920 –> 01:09:46,140
what is its justification for being in
1573
01:09:42,988 –> 01:09:48,899
my life or would it be better off in
1574
01:09:46,140 –> 01:09:51,239
someone else’s at the goodwill or giving
1575
01:09:48,899 –> 01:09:52,679
it to a friend or whatnot things like
1576
01:09:51,238 –> 01:09:54,89
that and it works for a lot of other
1577
01:09:52,680 –> 01:09:56,70
things to life
1578
01:09:54,89 –> 01:10:00,150
I find one of the most effective ways to
1579
01:09:56,70 –> 01:10:01,110
clean a desk is to put a box at the end
1580
01:10:00,150 –> 01:10:03,239
of that desk
1581
01:10:01,110 –> 01:10:06,900
take your hand and sweep everything off
1582
01:10:03,239 –> 01:10:10,169
of it into that box now your desk is
1583
01:10:06,900 –> 01:10:13,80
clean and literally 10 seconds and now
1584
01:10:10,170 –> 01:10:13,920
as you need things you know all i need a
1585
01:10:13,80 –> 01:10:16,620
stapler
1586
01:10:13,920 –> 01:10:18,900
oh you go look in the Box you take out
1587
01:10:16,620 –> 01:10:21,180
the stapler you put the stapler on the
1588
01:10:18,900 –> 01:10:23,9
desk or in the drawer where it belongs
1589
01:10:21,180 –> 01:10:24,480
but basically you set a period of time
1590
01:10:23,10 –> 01:10:27,000
let’s just say two months three months
1591
01:10:24,480 –> 01:10:31,19
whatever it is you set a period of time
1592
01:10:27,000 –> 01:10:33,000
that everything that is left in that box
1593
01:10:31,20 –> 01:10:35,70
at the end that’s the stuff i’m not
1594
01:10:33,000 –> 01:10:38,190
using or that’s the stuff i rarely use
1595
01:10:35,70 –> 01:10:39,389
and maybe I need to reconsider whether
1596
01:10:38,190 –> 01:10:42,89
or not i need this
1597
01:10:39,390 –> 01:10:45,90
it works for all sorts of things all
1598
01:10:42,90 –> 01:10:47,219
sorts of things applications you want to
1599
01:10:45,90 –> 01:10:48,390
do you want to see what applications you
1600
01:10:47,219 –> 01:10:50,280
have installed that you’re really
1601
01:10:48,390 –> 01:10:51,840
actively using let’s just take phone
1602
01:10:50,280 –> 01:10:53,429
apps for instance because that’s the one
1603
01:10:51,840 –> 01:10:56,370
that I think a lot of us are guilty and
1604
01:10:53,430 –> 01:10:59,580
just let me just by this 99-cent thing
1605
01:10:56,370 –> 01:11:00,900
to try it out and then i can quickly
1606
01:10:59,580 –> 01:11:03,120
forget about it
1607
01:11:00,900 –> 01:11:05,219
well now that Apple gives you folders or
1608
01:11:03,120 –> 01:11:06,780
their take all those things and put them
1609
01:11:05,219 –> 01:11:09,780
two pages away
1610
01:11:06,780 –> 01:11:12,120
clear off your home screen and then as
1611
01:11:09,780 –> 01:11:14,519
you need things before launching them
1612
01:11:12,120 –> 01:11:17,760
drag them back to your home screen right
1613
01:11:14,520 –> 01:11:19,650
and you’ll quickly find out which things
1614
01:11:17,760 –> 01:11:21,630
you use most frequently in which things
1615
01:11:19,650 –> 01:11:23,639
you really don’t and whether you should
1616
01:11:21,630 –> 01:11:26,340
consider deleting them are God you know
1617
01:11:23,640 –> 01:11:27,989
it it’s it’s things like that basically
1618
01:11:26,340 –> 01:11:31,739
taking everything putting it somewhere
1619
01:11:27,989 –> 01:11:34,379
and then as you use things taking them
1620
01:11:31,739 –> 01:11:36,660
out of that thing and then re-evaluating
1621
01:11:34,380 –> 01:11:37,320
at some specified point in time down the
1622
01:11:36,660 –> 01:11:38,969
road
1623
01:11:37,320 –> 01:11:42,150
yeah i mean it creates like a physical
1624
01:11:38,969 –> 01:11:43,920
check list without recording every hey
1625
01:11:42,150 –> 01:11:44,549
my blue shirt haven’t used that in a
1626
01:11:43,920 –> 01:11:47,190
while
1627
01:11:44,550 –> 01:11:49,140
yeah exactly but actually you did you
1628
01:11:47,190 –> 01:11:52,139
just forgot to record it it now
1629
01:11:49,140 –> 01:11:53,760
yeah Barbie olives and it is very visual
1630
01:11:52,140 –> 01:11:55,890
to these sorts of things you can
1631
01:11:53,760 –> 01:11:57,600
immediately look at that box and see how
1632
01:11:55,890 –> 01:11:59,160
full it is you can immediately look at
1633
01:11:57,600 –> 01:12:01,200
your closet and see how many of those
1634
01:11:59,160 –> 01:12:02,700
hangers are turned the opposite
1635
01:12:01,200 –> 01:12:05,820
direction you know
1636
01:12:02,700 –> 01:12:08,610
yeah the other thing that I was always a
1637
01:12:05,820 –> 01:12:09,929
big fan of this your final choices
1638
01:12:08,610 –> 01:12:13,530
mm-hmm
1639
01:12:09,930 –> 01:12:16,290
yep that’s uh you know something i still
1640
01:12:13,530 –> 01:12:19,19
do and served me very well
1641
01:12:16,290 –> 01:12:21,450
final choice is basically or this and
1642
01:12:19,20 –> 01:12:23,400
that is that a lot of things when it
1643
01:12:21,450 –> 01:12:25,349
comes to a lot of things not everything
1644
01:12:23,400 –> 01:12:27,330
there are certain things that are meant
1645
01:12:25,350 –> 01:12:29,790
to be replaced every few years or things
1646
01:12:27,330 –> 01:12:32,10
that are not built him where there is
1647
01:12:29,790 –> 01:12:33,360
nothing built to last you know someone
1648
01:12:32,10 –> 01:12:35,640
like you know how do you apply final
1649
01:12:33,360 –> 01:12:37,980
choices to a toaster well you don’t
1650
01:12:35,640 –> 01:12:39,930
toasters not meant to last for a hundred
1651
01:12:37,980 –> 01:12:43,110
years toasters are generally built to
1652
01:12:39,930 –> 01:12:46,170
last maybe five to ten and so because of
1653
01:12:43,110 –> 01:12:48,929
that II can’t apply it there but like
1654
01:12:46,170 –> 01:12:52,50
you know so the an example i give is
1655
01:12:48,930 –> 01:12:54,60
there’s these boots the red wing boots
1656
01:12:52,50 –> 01:12:55,770
they’re very expensive correct wing
1657
01:12:54,60 –> 01:12:57,390
boots right wing boots are in general
1658
01:12:55,770 –> 01:12:59,340
very expensive why are they expensive
1659
01:12:57,390 –> 01:13:01,560
well they’re expensive because they’re
1660
01:12:59,340 –> 01:13:03,630
extremely well-made why are they
1661
01:13:01,560 –> 01:13:05,400
extremely well-made while they’re made
1662
01:13:03,630 –> 01:13:10,320
to last and they’ve been made the last
1663
01:13:05,400 –> 01:13:15,30
for a very long time and I could I don’t
1664
01:13:10,320 –> 01:13:16,590
know by a you know twenty-dollar three
1665
01:13:15,30 –> 01:13:19,259
or four dollar fifty dollar pair of
1666
01:13:16,590 –> 01:13:22,50
boots that serve me for a few years
1667
01:13:19,260 –> 01:13:24,420
they’ll have to replace the few years or
1668
01:13:22,50 –> 01:13:26,130
i could make the final choice of just
1669
01:13:24,420 –> 01:13:27,630
buying this one pair of
1670
01:13:26,130 –> 01:13:29,340
three-hundred-dollar boots
1671
01:13:27,630 –> 01:13:32,100
ultimately I’m spending the same amount
1672
01:13:29,340 –> 01:13:35,40
of money is either 10 pairs of the of of
1673
01:13:32,100 –> 01:13:37,470
the of the thirty dollar boots or one
1674
01:13:35,40 –> 01:13:38,820
pair of the but guess what I don’t ever
1675
01:13:37,470 –> 01:13:41,550
have to think about a pair of boots
1676
01:13:38,820 –> 01:13:43,259
again now I’ve made the final choice and
1677
01:13:41,550 –> 01:13:45,450
the choices that pair of boots and as
1678
01:13:43,260 –> 01:13:46,950
long as I take care of them and fel the
1679
01:13:45,450 –> 01:13:48,599
soul where’s through they will replace
1680
01:13:46,950 –> 01:13:51,360
the soul you know red wing is a
1681
01:13:48,600 –> 01:13:53,280
red-winged company is a company has been
1682
01:13:51,360 –> 01:13:54,900
in business for a hundred years and
1683
01:13:53,280 –> 01:13:57,360
probably be in business for a hundred
1684
01:13:54,900 –> 01:14:01,379
more over a hundred years actually and
1685
01:13:57,360 –> 01:14:03,780
they will resole replace whatever fails
1686
01:14:01,380 –> 01:14:05,880
on that boot for you know next to
1687
01:14:03,780 –> 01:14:07,920
nothing so why not
1688
01:14:05,880 –> 01:14:10,230
that’s the same thing you know with the
1689
01:14:07,920 –> 01:14:11,970
talking game background to go rock right
1690
01:14:10,230 –> 01:14:13,620
you could when those who are not
1691
01:14:11,970 –> 01:14:15,930
familiar with GORUCK bill and look and
1692
01:14:13,620 –> 01:14:17,849
see what their special forces grade
1693
01:14:15,930 –> 01:14:20,950
backpacks cost
1694
01:14:17,850 –> 01:14:24,790
they’re probably going to pick up along
1695
01:14:20,950 –> 01:14:27,490
because you know they’re you kind of
1696
01:14:24,790 –> 01:14:30,190
middle-of-the-road average backpack is
1697
01:14:27,490 –> 01:14:32,320
300 box but guess what is the last
1698
01:14:30,190 –> 01:14:33,400
backpack you’ll ever have to buy you’re
1699
01:14:32,320 –> 01:14:35,860
never going to have to buy another
1700
01:14:33,400 –> 01:14:38,349
backpack that backpack will last a
1701
01:14:35,860 –> 01:14:40,929
lifetime and they have a lifetime
1702
01:14:38,350 –> 01:14:43,630
guarantee on it they will repair or
1703
01:14:40,930 –> 01:14:45,100
replace it in pepper tunity or however
1704
01:14:43,630 –> 01:14:46,240
long they last
1705
01:14:45,100 –> 01:14:47,710
that’s the other thing you have to look
1706
01:14:46,240 –> 01:14:49,179
at when you’re looking at final choices
1707
01:14:47,710 –> 01:14:51,520
to and one thing I don’t think I touched
1708
01:14:49,180 –> 01:14:54,190
on very well which is is not just a
1709
01:14:51,520 –> 01:14:56,620
matter of looking at the product is also
1710
01:14:54,190 –> 01:14:59,290
matter of looking at the company right
1711
01:14:56,620 –> 01:15:01,120
because a lifetime guarantee from a
1712
01:14:59,290 –> 01:15:06,70
company that only is around for two
1713
01:15:01,120 –> 01:15:12,160
years is going to help you
1714
01:15:06,70 –> 01:15:14,650
hmmm it might help them but is not going
1715
01:15:12,160 –> 01:15:17,830
to help you and so I’m very careful
1716
01:15:14,650 –> 01:15:21,219
about that you know i think i could
1717
01:15:17,830 –> 01:15:24,700
reasonably see go rock being a hundred
1718
01:15:21,220 –> 01:15:26,470
your company like it easily see you know
1719
01:15:24,700 –> 01:15:27,820
obviously red wing has already been a
1720
01:15:26,470 –> 01:15:29,890
hundred your company is going to be a
1721
01:15:27,820 –> 01:15:32,440
200-year company right
1722
01:15:29,890 –> 01:15:34,750
why well because that’s you know I’ve
1723
01:15:32,440 –> 01:15:37,900
looked at the company i’ve done more
1724
01:15:34,750 –> 01:15:39,940
than just looked at their boots you know
1725
01:15:37,900 –> 01:15:41,679
that making a final choices about
1726
01:15:39,940 –> 01:15:43,839
looking at everything looking at the
1727
01:15:41,680 –> 01:15:46,870
company looking at the warranty looking
1728
01:15:43,840 –> 01:15:49,150
at the you know because you you want to
1729
01:15:46,870 –> 01:15:51,70
do all this work up front so you don’t
1730
01:15:49,150 –> 01:15:53,290
have to do it every single time again so
1731
01:15:51,70 –> 01:15:54,400
you only have two at once so is there
1732
01:15:53,290 –> 01:15:56,890
any last thoughts you’d like to share
1733
01:15:54,400 –> 01:16:00,280
and I can’t pick enjoy every sandwich
1734
01:15:56,890 –> 01:16:04,300
um especially being that that’s not my
1735
01:16:00,280 –> 01:16:06,429
thought I i think if anything this is a
1736
01:16:04,300 –> 01:16:09,580
very very very short life as I’ve
1737
01:16:06,430 –> 01:16:11,230
already laid out there’s a multitude of
1738
01:16:09,580 –> 01:16:14,890
ways you can spend it
1739
01:16:11,230 –> 01:16:19,450
you can spend it wrapped and worry and
1740
01:16:14,890 –> 01:16:21,790
suffering and doubt and loathing and
1741
01:16:19,450 –> 01:16:27,160
hating and all these negative emotions
1742
01:16:21,790 –> 01:16:29,170
or you can spend it looking around at
1743
01:16:27,160 –> 01:16:31,630
the very fact that you get it in the
1744
01:16:29,170 –> 01:16:34,750
first place and finding happiness
1745
01:16:31,630 –> 01:16:37,120
they’re finding joy they’re letting that
1746
01:16:34,750 –> 01:16:38,860
alleviate your suffering suffering and
1747
01:16:37,120 –> 01:16:41,860
alleviate your worry
1748
01:16:38,860 –> 01:16:44,620
quite frankly you know I hate to tell
1749
01:16:41,860 –> 01:16:46,540
you this but not paying your mortgage
1750
01:16:44,620 –> 01:16:51,10
will get you kicked out of your house
1751
01:16:46,540 –> 01:16:53,560
but it’s a short life you don’t have to
1752
01:16:51,10 –> 01:16:54,940
worry about that for too long not saying
1753
01:16:53,560 –> 01:17:01,120
that you shouldn’t be bored as you
1754
01:16:54,940 –> 01:17:03,580
should but just saying that just saying
1755
01:17:01,120 –> 01:17:05,769
that most of the things that we make a
1756
01:17:03,580 –> 01:17:07,750
big deal out of really in the grand
1757
01:17:05,770 –> 01:17:12,730
scheme of things not so big of a deal
1758
01:17:07,750 –> 01:17:20,460
and if you really want to measure your
1759
01:17:12,730 –> 01:17:25,19
success money is the worst way to do it
1760
01:17:20,460 –> 01:17:27,989
right someone actually said to me today
1761
01:17:25,20 –> 01:17:28,770
the actual phrase you know little time
1762
01:17:27,989 –> 01:17:32,250
is money
1763
01:17:28,770 –> 01:17:34,530
I said no you’re incorrect time is far
1764
01:17:32,250 –> 01:17:37,380
more valuable than money money is a
1765
01:17:34,530 –> 01:17:40,620
construct money doesn’t exist
1766
01:17:37,380 –> 01:17:43,830
time is very real one of those things
1767
01:17:40,620 –> 01:17:46,19
you can always get more of time is not
1768
01:17:43,830 –> 01:17:48,120
one of those things you can always get
1769
01:17:46,20 –> 01:17:49,770
more money you cannot get more time
1770
01:17:48,120 –> 01:17:52,920
there is none
1771
01:17:49,770 –> 01:17:55,560
it is finite is the most finite and most
1772
01:17:52,920 –> 01:18:01,650
valuable resource in the world in the
1773
01:17:55,560 –> 01:18:04,170
universe so no time is not money so if
1774
01:18:01,650 –> 01:18:06,780
anything gap final thought be conscious
1775
01:18:04,170 –> 01:18:10,920
of your time is the most valuable thing
1776
01:18:06,780 –> 01:18:14,429
you have enjoy it that that was very
1777
01:18:10,920 –> 01:18:15,750
beautifully put thank you no problem
1778
01:18:14,430 –> 01:18:19,200
it was an honor having you on the show
1779
01:18:15,750 –> 01:18:22,170
and and to be the longest show i have a
1780
01:18:19,200 –> 01:18:24,480
sari and now you eat you shouldn’t have
1781
01:18:22,170 –> 01:18:26,40
known from listening to enough that I
1782
01:18:24,480 –> 01:18:29,250
can talk
1783
01:18:26,40 –> 01:18:30,930
no I i know i know now i I’ve really
1784
01:18:29,250 –> 01:18:32,969
appreciate you sharing all the stories
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and I mean it’s extremely inspirational
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thank you so much and i would love to
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have you on the show again and in six
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months to a year and and we’ll see how
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you’re making out then I would love that
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I’ll put all your blogs and your twitter
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accounts and your facebook pages mall
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that stop
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yeah all the show notes alright sounds
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perfect thank you so much this has been
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a lot of fun like i said i enjoy doing
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these things and then and not having a
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podcast my own anymore I don’t get to do
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them enough so thanks thank you
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alright have a great one thank you for
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joining us for this episode of the
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2 Comments
Where is the download? No link here, and the episode doesn’t appear in the RSS feed in my podcast player.
Wow, thank you so much for pointing this out to me Gary! I’m not sure what happened or when, but I have corrected the issue now. Again, thank you so much for taking the time to let me know!